1 00:00:05,430 --> 00:00:02,869 this program is a legacy program which 2 00:00:07,909 --> 00:00:05,440 was recorded some time ago 3 00:00:10,390 --> 00:00:07,919 views and subject matter are products of 4 00:00:13,030 --> 00:00:10,400 the time in which they were recorded and 5 00:00:25,670 --> 00:00:13,040 may not reflect current news or cultural 6 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:30,710 yes 7 00:00:46,410 --> 00:00:32,030 uh 8 00:00:46,420 --> 00:00:56,630 [Music] 9 00:01:02,069 --> 00:00:59,670 welcome back my friends and welcome to 10 00:01:03,830 --> 00:01:02,079 another amazing episode of the midnight 11 00:01:06,630 --> 00:01:03,840 hour show 12 00:01:09,990 --> 00:01:06,640 i welcome old friends and want to take a 13 00:01:13,590 --> 00:01:10,000 moment to welcome all of my new friends 14 00:01:15,830 --> 00:01:13,600 listening on the fringe fm 15 00:01:17,830 --> 00:01:15,840 in honor of this very special night i'm 16 00:01:20,390 --> 00:01:17,840 bringing you some world premieres 17 00:01:24,070 --> 00:01:20,400 because tonight is the premiere episode 18 00:01:26,870 --> 00:01:24,080 of the midnight hour on the fringe fm 19 00:01:29,749 --> 00:01:26,880 but not just that tonight is also the 20 00:01:31,109 --> 00:01:29,759 premiere of season two of the midnight 21 00:01:31,990 --> 00:01:31,119 hour show 22 00:01:34,870 --> 00:01:32,000 and 23 00:01:36,069 --> 00:01:34,880 it is also the premiere of my special 24 00:01:39,109 --> 00:01:36,079 report 25 00:01:40,789 --> 00:01:39,119 into the bob lazar case 26 00:01:43,510 --> 00:01:40,799 folks i've been looking into this one 27 00:01:45,990 --> 00:01:43,520 for a long time and tonight i am going 28 00:01:48,469 --> 00:01:46,000 to share with you in a special report 29 00:01:52,789 --> 00:01:48,479 all about my investigation into this 30 00:01:55,030 --> 00:01:52,799 strange case of bob lazar area 51 and 31 00:02:02,069 --> 00:01:55,040 flying saucers 32 00:02:04,950 --> 00:02:02,079 [Music] 33 00:02:07,590 --> 00:02:04,960 did a rogue scientists really work on 34 00:02:10,949 --> 00:02:07,600 back engineering flying saucers for the 35 00:02:13,270 --> 00:02:10,959 united states government at area 51. 36 00:02:15,190 --> 00:02:13,280 does the government really have 37 00:02:17,910 --> 00:02:15,200 recovered flying saucers that they're 38 00:02:19,830 --> 00:02:17,920 back engineering 39 00:02:22,390 --> 00:02:19,840 does the government know 40 00:02:24,630 --> 00:02:22,400 about alien visitations 41 00:02:26,390 --> 00:02:24,640 did bob lazar really work on back 42 00:02:28,630 --> 00:02:26,400 engineering 43 00:02:31,509 --> 00:02:28,640 some kind of alien spacecraft the 44 00:02:33,270 --> 00:02:31,519 government has housed at a secret base 45 00:02:35,030 --> 00:02:33,280 called s4 46 00:02:38,390 --> 00:02:35,040 inside 47 00:02:42,550 --> 00:02:40,949 did he think that this information 48 00:02:45,110 --> 00:02:42,560 should be public 49 00:02:47,990 --> 00:02:45,120 so much so that he was willing to risk 50 00:02:51,990 --> 00:02:48,000 his life his reputation 51 00:02:54,949 --> 00:02:52,000 and his career to become a whistleblower 52 00:02:56,869 --> 00:02:54,959 is he really a whistleblower 53 00:03:02,470 --> 00:02:56,879 or my friends 54 00:03:07,110 --> 00:03:05,030 some time ago an investigative filmmaker 55 00:03:09,350 --> 00:03:07,120 promised the world that we were finally 56 00:03:10,630 --> 00:03:09,360 gonna get the truth about the bob lazar 57 00:03:12,949 --> 00:03:10,640 case 58 00:03:14,309 --> 00:03:12,959 but what did we get folks did we get the 59 00:03:24,949 --> 00:03:14,319 truth 60 00:03:25,910 --> 00:03:24,959 was very conveniently slanted to sell a 61 00:03:31,750 --> 00:03:25,920 film 62 00:03:35,110 --> 00:03:31,760 worth of evidence that bob lazar is a 63 00:03:37,830 --> 00:03:35,120 liar and a fraud and a con man 64 00:03:40,470 --> 00:03:37,840 not only that i know ten people 65 00:03:42,550 --> 00:03:40,480 personally including myself 66 00:03:44,390 --> 00:03:42,560 who sent him information while he was 67 00:03:46,550 --> 00:03:44,400 making the film 68 00:03:48,949 --> 00:03:46,560 i have all that information 69 00:03:51,589 --> 00:03:48,959 guess how much of all of that 70 00:03:54,550 --> 00:03:51,599 information that nine or ten other 71 00:03:57,509 --> 00:03:54,560 people that i know plus me sent him made 72 00:04:00,149 --> 00:03:57,519 it into that so-called documentary 73 00:04:01,670 --> 00:04:00,159 that's right folks none of it none of it 74 00:04:03,589 --> 00:04:01,680 made it in 75 00:04:05,589 --> 00:04:03,599 why did someone produce something 76 00:04:07,670 --> 00:04:05,599 calling it a documentary 77 00:04:08,789 --> 00:04:07,680 when they only told one side of the 78 00:04:10,710 --> 00:04:08,799 story 79 00:04:13,670 --> 00:04:10,720 why did a so-called documentary 80 00:04:15,429 --> 00:04:13,680 filmmaker purposely ignore 81 00:04:17,509 --> 00:04:15,439 all of that evidence that people were 82 00:04:19,909 --> 00:04:17,519 sending him i know people sent him that 83 00:04:21,670 --> 00:04:19,919 evidence i trust those people that sent 84 00:04:24,950 --> 00:04:21,680 him all that evidence 85 00:04:26,950 --> 00:04:24,960 why would he ignore all of that folks 86 00:04:29,990 --> 00:04:26,960 well tonight 87 00:04:33,749 --> 00:04:30,000 we just might find out 88 00:04:36,310 --> 00:04:33,759 i have to be very clear in stating 89 00:04:39,110 --> 00:04:36,320 that i believe that documentary 90 00:04:42,710 --> 00:04:39,120 filmmaker left all that evidence out for 91 00:04:45,350 --> 00:04:42,720 one specific reason and that is money 92 00:04:47,830 --> 00:04:45,360 money folks follow the money 93 00:04:49,909 --> 00:04:47,840 there's no story if you just create a 94 00:04:52,150 --> 00:04:49,919 documentary saying this man was a fraud 95 00:04:54,469 --> 00:04:52,160 and a liar and a con man 96 00:04:57,830 --> 00:04:54,479 this is only going to sell if people 97 00:04:59,510 --> 00:04:57,840 believe that story just may be true 98 00:05:02,310 --> 00:04:59,520 and for all i know 99 00:05:04,310 --> 00:05:02,320 maybe it is true but leaving out 100 00:05:05,270 --> 00:05:04,320 30 years worth of evidence that it's not 101 00:05:06,550 --> 00:05:05,280 true 102 00:05:07,590 --> 00:05:06,560 seems to me 103 00:05:09,590 --> 00:05:07,600 to be 104 00:05:11,670 --> 00:05:09,600 a bad thing to do if you're going to 105 00:05:15,749 --> 00:05:11,680 call yourself an investigative 106 00:05:18,310 --> 00:05:15,759 journalist or a documentary filmmaker 107 00:05:19,670 --> 00:05:18,320 i wanted to be sure my friends that i 108 00:05:21,909 --> 00:05:19,680 would have no 109 00:05:24,550 --> 00:05:21,919 financial motive either way 110 00:05:27,909 --> 00:05:24,560 so tonight i made sure there's not going 111 00:05:29,830 --> 00:05:27,919 to be any ads i have no financial motive 112 00:05:31,110 --> 00:05:29,840 that filmmaker brought you his version 113 00:05:33,270 --> 00:05:31,120 of the truth 114 00:05:36,310 --> 00:05:33,280 tonight i'm going to bring you my 115 00:05:38,070 --> 00:05:36,320 version of the truth about bob lazar 116 00:05:41,029 --> 00:05:38,080 and it's very important that i just 117 00:05:43,990 --> 00:05:41,039 point out one important fact 118 00:05:46,070 --> 00:05:44,000 some people have a very important 119 00:05:48,710 --> 00:05:46,080 motive called money 120 00:05:50,550 --> 00:05:48,720 to bring you their version of the truth 121 00:05:52,390 --> 00:05:50,560 about bob lazar 122 00:05:54,390 --> 00:05:52,400 i don't have that handicap folks i have 123 00:05:56,629 --> 00:05:54,400 no financial stake in the bob lazar 124 00:05:59,670 --> 00:05:56,639 story whatsoever there's no ads on 125 00:06:02,230 --> 00:05:59,680 tonight's show even i'm making nothing 126 00:06:04,230 --> 00:06:02,240 from bringing you the truth tonight 127 00:06:06,390 --> 00:06:04,240 but i think it's important 128 00:06:08,230 --> 00:06:06,400 that people know the truth 129 00:06:11,029 --> 00:06:08,240 don't you want to know the truth 130 00:06:16,950 --> 00:06:11,039 tonight i'm gonna bring it to you 131 00:06:20,550 --> 00:06:19,749 i first heard the bob lazar story when i 132 00:06:24,070 --> 00:06:20,560 was 133 00:06:26,790 --> 00:06:24,080 just a child really just a little boy 134 00:06:28,390 --> 00:06:26,800 and i was into science fiction and model 135 00:06:31,350 --> 00:06:28,400 rockets and 136 00:06:33,270 --> 00:06:31,360 uh you know i was more than a bit of a 137 00:06:35,110 --> 00:06:33,280 science nerd 138 00:06:38,710 --> 00:06:35,120 i had 139 00:06:40,550 --> 00:06:38,720 my own interest in flying saucers 140 00:06:42,950 --> 00:06:40,560 because i saw something once when i was 141 00:06:43,749 --> 00:06:42,960 10 years old 142 00:06:48,070 --> 00:06:43,759 and 143 00:06:49,990 --> 00:06:48,080 since i saw that thing i wanted to know 144 00:06:52,390 --> 00:06:50,000 what it was 145 00:06:54,950 --> 00:06:52,400 was the thing that i saw 146 00:06:58,150 --> 00:06:54,960 an alien spacecraft 147 00:07:01,189 --> 00:06:58,160 that question haunted me 148 00:07:03,589 --> 00:07:01,199 but i didn't really ever get the answers 149 00:07:04,629 --> 00:07:03,599 at least i felt i would never get the 150 00:07:07,990 --> 00:07:04,639 answers 151 00:07:10,550 --> 00:07:08,000 until along comes bob lazar 152 00:07:12,950 --> 00:07:10,560 telling his fantastic story 153 00:07:14,550 --> 00:07:12,960 about being 154 00:07:16,550 --> 00:07:14,560 a senior 155 00:07:19,990 --> 00:07:16,560 level physicist 156 00:07:22,790 --> 00:07:20,000 at a top secret base called s4 157 00:07:27,270 --> 00:07:22,800 located 15 miles 158 00:07:30,469 --> 00:07:29,589 i gotta tell you when this story came 159 00:07:32,070 --> 00:07:30,479 out 160 00:07:34,629 --> 00:07:32,080 i thought 161 00:07:38,230 --> 00:07:34,639 that i had finally gotten the answer 162 00:07:44,550 --> 00:07:42,070 i got so into the story that i devoured 163 00:07:45,670 --> 00:07:44,560 everything that i could find 164 00:07:48,550 --> 00:07:45,680 about 165 00:07:51,589 --> 00:07:48,560 bob lazar and the story 166 00:07:53,670 --> 00:07:51,599 i followed it intensely and closely for 167 00:07:55,350 --> 00:07:53,680 quite some time 168 00:07:57,270 --> 00:07:55,360 but you know 169 00:07:59,430 --> 00:07:57,280 you 170 00:08:01,990 --> 00:07:59,440 i suppose 171 00:08:03,990 --> 00:08:02,000 at some point the story kind of dried up 172 00:08:05,589 --> 00:08:04,000 and bob lazar 173 00:08:07,909 --> 00:08:05,599 jesse as he 174 00:08:10,550 --> 00:08:07,919 just as quickly as he 175 00:08:13,589 --> 00:08:10,560 jumped out of the shadows and told this 176 00:08:15,270 --> 00:08:13,599 incredible story he jumped back into the 177 00:08:17,909 --> 00:08:15,280 shadows 178 00:08:19,350 --> 00:08:17,919 and the story kind of died 179 00:08:22,150 --> 00:08:19,360 a slow death 180 00:08:24,710 --> 00:08:22,160 but people were always still interested 181 00:08:27,189 --> 00:08:24,720 in the story 182 00:08:28,869 --> 00:08:27,199 and to this day i'm still interested in 183 00:08:31,830 --> 00:08:28,879 this story 184 00:08:34,310 --> 00:08:31,840 i want to know if it's true folks 185 00:08:36,070 --> 00:08:34,320 did this man really work on captured 186 00:08:38,310 --> 00:08:36,080 flying saucers for the united states 187 00:08:41,190 --> 00:08:38,320 government 188 00:08:43,750 --> 00:08:41,200 i wanted to find out the truth 189 00:08:46,150 --> 00:08:43,760 and when an investigative filmmaker and 190 00:08:48,630 --> 00:08:46,160 documentary maker came along and said 191 00:08:51,829 --> 00:08:48,640 that we were finally gonna get the truth 192 00:08:53,750 --> 00:08:51,839 i gotta tell you i was very excited 193 00:08:55,910 --> 00:08:53,760 because i thought 194 00:08:58,310 --> 00:08:55,920 that after 30 years 195 00:08:59,829 --> 00:08:58,320 bob lazar was finally going to come out 196 00:09:01,110 --> 00:08:59,839 and tell us 197 00:09:03,509 --> 00:09:01,120 the truth 198 00:09:05,430 --> 00:09:03,519 i thought that there would be 199 00:09:09,110 --> 00:09:05,440 some incredible proof 200 00:09:11,190 --> 00:09:09,120 to his story and his claims 201 00:09:15,430 --> 00:09:11,200 but that my friends 202 00:09:20,550 --> 00:09:16,870 what we got 203 00:09:21,590 --> 00:09:20,560 is what i believe to just be a pro bob 204 00:09:23,190 --> 00:09:21,600 lazar 205 00:09:25,829 --> 00:09:23,200 propaganda piece 206 00:09:28,790 --> 00:09:25,839 created for the sole purpose of selling 207 00:09:33,430 --> 00:09:30,630 we 208 00:09:36,550 --> 00:09:33,440 all of us that wanted to hear the truth 209 00:09:38,710 --> 00:09:36,560 of this story did wait 30 years to get 210 00:09:40,470 --> 00:09:38,720 the truth so when somebody came along 211 00:09:42,790 --> 00:09:40,480 promising us that there'd be all of 212 00:09:44,790 --> 00:09:42,800 these new bombshells and we'd finally 213 00:09:46,470 --> 00:09:44,800 get the truth 214 00:09:48,630 --> 00:09:46,480 we all listened 215 00:09:51,190 --> 00:09:48,640 and many of us 216 00:09:52,949 --> 00:09:51,200 listened with our wallets 217 00:09:54,710 --> 00:09:52,959 and we shelled out the ten or twenty 218 00:09:55,910 --> 00:09:54,720 dollars i don't even remember what it 219 00:09:58,949 --> 00:09:55,920 cost 220 00:10:01,269 --> 00:09:58,959 to purchase this film 221 00:10:03,829 --> 00:10:01,279 and i gotta tell you that 222 00:10:05,910 --> 00:10:03,839 of all the people that i know that are 223 00:10:09,350 --> 00:10:05,920 interested in this subject i can't think 224 00:10:10,790 --> 00:10:09,360 of one person that was either satisfied 225 00:10:12,150 --> 00:10:10,800 with that film 226 00:10:14,230 --> 00:10:12,160 or 227 00:10:16,470 --> 00:10:14,240 that was happy 228 00:10:17,910 --> 00:10:16,480 that that film was made 229 00:10:19,670 --> 00:10:17,920 most of the people that i know 230 00:10:21,670 --> 00:10:19,680 especially those that are intentionally 231 00:10:24,310 --> 00:10:21,680 interested in this subject and 232 00:10:25,509 --> 00:10:24,320 especially in this bob lazar case 233 00:10:28,630 --> 00:10:25,519 came away 234 00:10:31,269 --> 00:10:28,640 hugely disappointed 235 00:10:32,470 --> 00:10:31,279 there was almost no new information 236 00:10:33,590 --> 00:10:32,480 in this film 237 00:10:35,990 --> 00:10:33,600 there was 238 00:10:37,750 --> 00:10:36,000 some information about a hand scanner 239 00:10:38,790 --> 00:10:37,760 but that exchange went something like 240 00:10:41,110 --> 00:10:38,800 this 241 00:10:43,190 --> 00:10:41,120 bob lazar had mentioned that at the top 242 00:10:45,030 --> 00:10:43,200 secret base where he worked there was a 243 00:10:48,150 --> 00:10:45,040 special kind of hand scanner that you 244 00:10:51,190 --> 00:10:48,160 had to use to gain entry 245 00:10:53,190 --> 00:10:51,200 and this filmmaker found 246 00:10:55,990 --> 00:10:53,200 another 247 00:10:57,910 --> 00:10:56,000 government location or secret 248 00:10:58,949 --> 00:10:57,920 government facility that used a hand 249 00:11:01,269 --> 00:10:58,959 scanner 250 00:11:03,030 --> 00:11:01,279 and had a picture of it and in the film 251 00:11:04,470 --> 00:11:03,040 he just showed bob lazar a picture of it 252 00:11:06,470 --> 00:11:04,480 and said is this the hand scanner and 253 00:11:08,069 --> 00:11:06,480 bubbles are yeah yeah that was the hand 254 00:11:10,470 --> 00:11:08,079 scanner i didn't think i'd ever see that 255 00:11:13,350 --> 00:11:10,480 again you found it 256 00:11:15,509 --> 00:11:13,360 that was it i mean that really was the 257 00:11:17,670 --> 00:11:15,519 only new information that we got and i 258 00:11:19,350 --> 00:11:17,680 have to say after all the hype and 259 00:11:22,870 --> 00:11:19,360 hubbub about this 260 00:11:24,949 --> 00:11:22,880 and how much this film was promoted as 261 00:11:28,150 --> 00:11:24,959 finally bringing us the truth about bob 262 00:11:31,110 --> 00:11:28,160 lazar that's all we got that's it that's 263 00:11:32,870 --> 00:11:31,120 the only new thing that we got 264 00:11:36,389 --> 00:11:32,880 i have to tell you that 265 00:11:38,790 --> 00:11:36,399 i was tremendously let down and i had 266 00:11:42,790 --> 00:11:38,800 previously promoted that filmmaker's 267 00:11:45,670 --> 00:11:42,800 work on some of my previous shows 268 00:11:47,509 --> 00:11:45,680 i uh spoke to him 269 00:11:48,550 --> 00:11:47,519 i don't want to say many times several 270 00:11:49,509 --> 00:11:48,560 times 271 00:11:51,030 --> 00:11:49,519 um 272 00:11:52,470 --> 00:11:51,040 you know i don't know how many times but 273 00:11:54,230 --> 00:11:52,480 he and i uh 274 00:11:55,350 --> 00:11:54,240 talked back and forth on facebook or 275 00:11:56,550 --> 00:11:55,360 twitter 276 00:11:59,990 --> 00:11:56,560 and 277 00:12:01,990 --> 00:12:00,000 after the after the film came out 278 00:12:04,230 --> 00:12:02,000 i was very 279 00:12:07,110 --> 00:12:04,240 i don't want to say i was angry 280 00:12:08,790 --> 00:12:07,120 anger is a very strong word right 281 00:12:11,509 --> 00:12:08,800 i don't believe i was angry i believe 282 00:12:14,310 --> 00:12:11,519 that i was extremely disappointed 283 00:12:17,269 --> 00:12:14,320 in the film and the contents of the film 284 00:12:20,550 --> 00:12:17,279 and the lack of any new information 285 00:12:21,430 --> 00:12:20,560 i was also very troubled by the fact 286 00:12:32,150 --> 00:12:21,440 that 287 00:12:33,670 --> 00:12:32,160 and i mean good information 288 00:12:34,629 --> 00:12:33,680 good research 289 00:12:37,670 --> 00:12:34,639 good 290 00:12:39,509 --> 00:12:37,680 evidence evidence folks that's what the 291 00:12:41,910 --> 00:12:39,519 film lacked 292 00:12:44,069 --> 00:12:41,920 mostly we just got a retelling of the 293 00:12:45,590 --> 00:12:44,079 same story that we heard 30 years ago 294 00:12:47,990 --> 00:12:45,600 from bob lazar 295 00:12:49,350 --> 00:12:48,000 with a few new twists and turns 296 00:12:50,829 --> 00:12:49,360 that we're going to find out tonight 297 00:12:54,069 --> 00:12:50,839 were largely 298 00:12:56,870 --> 00:12:54,079 manufactured to sell a film 299 00:13:00,069 --> 00:12:56,880 so being disappointed 300 00:13:02,710 --> 00:13:00,079 i uh and having previously spoke to him 301 00:13:04,389 --> 00:13:02,720 a bunch of times on social media 302 00:13:06,629 --> 00:13:04,399 you know 303 00:13:08,310 --> 00:13:06,639 as the hype of this film was going 304 00:13:10,069 --> 00:13:08,320 you know he was posting stuff on social 305 00:13:11,990 --> 00:13:10,079 media about 306 00:13:13,829 --> 00:13:12,000 this or that 307 00:13:14,790 --> 00:13:13,839 and i posted 308 00:13:18,710 --> 00:13:14,800 uh 309 00:13:21,030 --> 00:13:18,720 some questions and i just got really 310 00:13:23,590 --> 00:13:21,040 nasty response from the filmmaker and so 311 00:13:25,990 --> 00:13:23,600 did a lot of people folks 312 00:13:28,710 --> 00:13:26,000 and then finally 313 00:13:32,230 --> 00:13:28,720 i made some mention 314 00:13:33,430 --> 00:13:32,240 that this filmmaker had investigated 315 00:13:34,949 --> 00:13:33,440 this case 316 00:13:38,230 --> 00:13:34,959 and had access 317 00:13:40,870 --> 00:13:38,240 access like no one ever got 318 00:13:43,829 --> 00:13:40,880 folks nobody gets to interview bob lazar 319 00:13:45,350 --> 00:13:43,839 nobody gets to talk to bob lazar 320 00:13:47,670 --> 00:13:45,360 nobody 321 00:13:49,509 --> 00:13:47,680 this filmmaker got access to bob lazar 322 00:13:50,870 --> 00:13:49,519 his friends his family 323 00:13:52,310 --> 00:13:50,880 his files 324 00:13:54,389 --> 00:13:52,320 everything 325 00:13:55,910 --> 00:13:54,399 and i found that a bit curious to begin 326 00:13:56,710 --> 00:13:55,920 with 327 00:13:58,949 --> 00:13:56,720 but 328 00:14:01,509 --> 00:13:58,959 when you see the film and you realize 329 00:14:02,470 --> 00:14:01,519 that not one hard ball question was 330 00:14:04,069 --> 00:14:02,480 asked 331 00:14:06,230 --> 00:14:04,079 it becomes 332 00:14:07,269 --> 00:14:06,240 very obvious why 333 00:14:09,990 --> 00:14:07,279 perhaps 334 00:14:12,550 --> 00:14:10,000 this filmmaker and no one else got that 335 00:14:14,949 --> 00:14:12,560 level of access to bob lazar 336 00:14:16,949 --> 00:14:14,959 i believe bob lazar knew this guy's not 337 00:14:18,069 --> 00:14:16,959 going to ask me any hard questions 338 00:14:19,590 --> 00:14:18,079 there's not going to be any gotcha 339 00:14:21,030 --> 00:14:19,600 moments he's not going to do a great 340 00:14:22,230 --> 00:14:21,040 deal of research and find new 341 00:14:25,269 --> 00:14:22,240 information 342 00:14:27,269 --> 00:14:25,279 he's just going to retell my story 343 00:14:29,509 --> 00:14:27,279 and i got to tell you folks it was just 344 00:14:32,150 --> 00:14:29,519 a tremendous letdown to me 345 00:14:33,670 --> 00:14:32,160 so back to the social media 346 00:14:36,150 --> 00:14:33,680 i posted 347 00:14:37,990 --> 00:14:36,160 as a reply to some social media posts 348 00:14:41,269 --> 00:14:38,000 that he made 349 00:14:44,470 --> 00:14:41,279 what a bunch of missed opportunities 350 00:14:47,990 --> 00:14:44,480 that he missed in this film specifically 351 00:14:49,590 --> 00:14:48,000 he interviewed bob lazar's mother 352 00:14:51,030 --> 00:14:49,600 and in the interview 353 00:14:53,189 --> 00:14:51,040 he didn't ask 354 00:14:55,829 --> 00:14:53,199 bob lazar's mother if bob lazar 355 00:14:58,629 --> 00:14:55,839 remembered him going to mit or caltech 356 00:15:00,310 --> 00:14:58,639 or attended bob lazar's graduation from 357 00:15:02,629 --> 00:15:00,320 mit or caltech 358 00:15:05,350 --> 00:15:02,639 which i think is a fair question to ask 359 00:15:08,550 --> 00:15:05,360 this man's mother because after all bob 360 00:15:11,590 --> 00:15:08,560 lazar had been swearing up down left 361 00:15:15,030 --> 00:15:11,600 right and sideways for 30 years that he 362 00:15:17,030 --> 00:15:15,040 went to caltech and mit and they somehow 363 00:15:19,030 --> 00:15:17,040 the men in black came and erased his 364 00:15:21,509 --> 00:15:19,040 records 365 00:15:23,590 --> 00:15:21,519 that's ludicrous folks it can't happen 366 00:15:26,069 --> 00:15:23,600 he would have such a huge legal case 367 00:15:27,829 --> 00:15:26,079 against mit and caltech if they ever try 368 00:15:29,910 --> 00:15:27,839 to do something like that 369 00:15:32,389 --> 00:15:29,920 it's not true folks it never happened 370 00:15:34,790 --> 00:15:32,399 nobody erased this man's records he 371 00:15:37,749 --> 00:15:34,800 never went to caltech and he never went 372 00:15:41,189 --> 00:15:37,759 to mit people have confirmed this 373 00:15:44,790 --> 00:15:41,199 multiple multiple ways but my point 374 00:15:46,710 --> 00:15:44,800 with what i posted to this filmmaker was 375 00:15:50,389 --> 00:15:46,720 why didn't you ask his mother 376 00:15:53,189 --> 00:15:50,399 to caltech or mit he's been lying about 377 00:15:55,749 --> 00:15:53,199 it for 30 years i don't about you but my 378 00:15:57,590 --> 00:15:55,759 mother knows where i went to school 379 00:16:00,069 --> 00:15:57,600 my mother can confirm or deny where i 380 00:16:03,189 --> 00:16:00,079 went to school if asked 381 00:16:05,670 --> 00:16:03,199 so my point was either 382 00:16:07,509 --> 00:16:05,680 this filmmaker never bothered to ask 383 00:16:09,670 --> 00:16:07,519 those questions when he's the only 384 00:16:11,430 --> 00:16:09,680 person that's ever been given access to 385 00:16:15,030 --> 00:16:11,440 bob lazar's mother 386 00:16:17,350 --> 00:16:15,040 or he did ask that question folks 387 00:16:19,590 --> 00:16:17,360 he did ask that question and he just 388 00:16:22,790 --> 00:16:19,600 didn't like the answer he got so he 389 00:16:25,509 --> 00:16:22,800 purposefully left it out of the film 390 00:16:27,670 --> 00:16:25,519 he even commented about this 391 00:16:29,590 --> 00:16:27,680 on another show and made disparaging 392 00:16:32,069 --> 00:16:29,600 remarks about the question that i asked 393 00:16:36,069 --> 00:16:32,079 about bob lazar's mother and why he 394 00:16:37,990 --> 00:16:36,079 didn't ask about bob lazar's education 395 00:16:40,310 --> 00:16:38,000 and what he said was how does this guy 396 00:16:42,470 --> 00:16:40,320 know what questions i i asked 397 00:16:43,430 --> 00:16:42,480 maybe i did ask her that 398 00:16:46,069 --> 00:16:43,440 really 399 00:16:47,749 --> 00:16:46,079 then if you did ask her that why would 400 00:16:49,350 --> 00:16:47,759 you leave it out of the film 401 00:16:51,110 --> 00:16:49,360 there's only two possibilities here 402 00:16:53,509 --> 00:16:51,120 folks 403 00:16:55,430 --> 00:16:53,519 that this filmmaker asked the question 404 00:16:56,550 --> 00:16:55,440 and didn't like the answer and cut it 405 00:16:57,430 --> 00:16:56,560 from the film 406 00:17:00,310 --> 00:16:57,440 or 407 00:17:02,470 --> 00:17:00,320 he never even thought to bother to ask 408 00:17:05,029 --> 00:17:02,480 this man's mother who's been lying for 409 00:17:07,230 --> 00:17:05,039 30 years about his education if she 410 00:17:08,949 --> 00:17:07,240 remembers him going to those schools 411 00:17:11,990 --> 00:17:08,959 [Music] 412 00:17:14,309 --> 00:17:12,000 shortly after i asked that question even 413 00:17:16,309 --> 00:17:14,319 after supporting this filmmaker through 414 00:17:17,350 --> 00:17:16,319 multiple projects and 415 00:17:19,750 --> 00:17:17,360 you know 416 00:17:21,590 --> 00:17:19,760 plugging his work many times 417 00:17:24,630 --> 00:17:21,600 guy was always too busy to come on my 418 00:17:27,510 --> 00:17:24,640 show but uh you know i was doing work 419 00:17:29,190 --> 00:17:27,520 related to some of his film topics and i 420 00:17:31,190 --> 00:17:29,200 always supported him 421 00:17:33,510 --> 00:17:31,200 i did not ask those questions to be 422 00:17:36,070 --> 00:17:33,520 disrespectful it wasn't personal i 423 00:17:38,390 --> 00:17:36,080 wasn't being vindictive or nasty in 424 00:17:41,110 --> 00:17:38,400 asking these questions these were real 425 00:17:43,750 --> 00:17:41,120 questions he and i had a relationship on 426 00:17:44,950 --> 00:17:43,760 social media and i thought that that was 427 00:17:46,789 --> 00:17:44,960 an okay 428 00:17:49,830 --> 00:17:46,799 point to make to him 429 00:17:52,390 --> 00:17:49,840 or question to ask 430 00:17:53,750 --> 00:17:52,400 but what i got folks is blocked on 431 00:17:54,549 --> 00:17:53,760 social media 432 00:17:56,630 --> 00:17:54,559 and 433 00:17:59,110 --> 00:17:56,640 you know lately there's been a lot of 434 00:18:02,230 --> 00:17:59,120 that going around 435 00:18:04,150 --> 00:18:02,240 and i have to say that i will never 436 00:18:05,270 --> 00:18:04,160 criticize someone 437 00:18:08,630 --> 00:18:05,280 for 438 00:18:10,150 --> 00:18:08,640 anything that i also do in other words 439 00:18:11,590 --> 00:18:10,160 i'm never going to say hey that guy 440 00:18:13,110 --> 00:18:11,600 drinks too much 441 00:18:15,110 --> 00:18:13,120 because i drink alcohol i'm never going 442 00:18:17,669 --> 00:18:15,120 to say yeah 443 00:18:19,830 --> 00:18:17,679 i'm not going to criticize someone for 444 00:18:22,070 --> 00:18:19,840 something that i also do 445 00:18:25,270 --> 00:18:22,080 so if i'm critical of that filmmaker for 446 00:18:26,549 --> 00:18:25,280 blocking me and i have to say i know 447 00:18:29,270 --> 00:18:26,559 at least 448 00:18:32,630 --> 00:18:29,280 15 other people that he blocked for 449 00:18:33,669 --> 00:18:32,640 asking questions about that film 450 00:18:36,230 --> 00:18:33,679 it's like 451 00:18:38,789 --> 00:18:36,240 trying to control the narrative he can't 452 00:18:40,950 --> 00:18:38,799 stand for people interested in his work 453 00:18:42,549 --> 00:18:40,960 to see those questions 454 00:18:44,390 --> 00:18:42,559 about all those things that he left out 455 00:18:47,029 --> 00:18:44,400 of the film so he just blocks people so 456 00:18:49,750 --> 00:18:47,039 that no one can see those questions 457 00:18:52,070 --> 00:18:49,760 being asked on his social media and i 458 00:18:54,150 --> 00:18:52,080 gotta say like i said i would not 459 00:18:58,710 --> 00:18:54,160 criticize him for that 460 00:19:04,950 --> 00:19:02,070 by and large i never ever block anyone 461 00:19:07,590 --> 00:19:04,960 on any of my social media pages now of 462 00:19:10,549 --> 00:19:07,600 course there are exceptions if there's 463 00:19:12,549 --> 00:19:10,559 some porn you know spam account on 464 00:19:13,830 --> 00:19:12,559 facebook send me messages i'll block 465 00:19:15,270 --> 00:19:13,840 that 466 00:19:17,590 --> 00:19:15,280 you know 467 00:19:19,990 --> 00:19:17,600 but by and large 468 00:19:22,310 --> 00:19:20,000 i don't try to control the narrative 469 00:19:23,110 --> 00:19:22,320 with my work folks 470 00:19:24,470 --> 00:19:23,120 if 471 00:19:25,669 --> 00:19:24,480 i present 472 00:19:28,390 --> 00:19:25,679 a show 473 00:19:30,870 --> 00:19:28,400 or anything really and someone has 474 00:19:33,669 --> 00:19:30,880 questions about it or 475 00:19:35,909 --> 00:19:33,679 uh you know maybe questions my judgment 476 00:19:39,270 --> 00:19:35,919 of something i said or the accuracy of 477 00:19:41,750 --> 00:19:39,280 something i said or did then i'm open to 478 00:19:44,070 --> 00:19:41,760 that debate 479 00:19:46,470 --> 00:19:44,080 and it's really really unfortunate and 480 00:19:49,029 --> 00:19:46,480 it's it's kind of sad that some people's 481 00:19:51,270 --> 00:19:49,039 work is apparently so bad 482 00:19:54,630 --> 00:19:51,280 that they cannot withstand 483 00:19:57,350 --> 00:19:54,640 real criticism especially if it's valid 484 00:19:59,510 --> 00:19:57,360 criticism most of the people that i know 485 00:20:00,470 --> 00:19:59,520 that were blocked by this filmmaker were 486 00:20:02,470 --> 00:20:00,480 asking 487 00:20:04,630 --> 00:20:02,480 real questions and i've seen a bunch of 488 00:20:06,149 --> 00:20:04,640 screenshots people have been sending me 489 00:20:09,510 --> 00:20:06,159 they weren't belligerent they weren't 490 00:20:11,190 --> 00:20:09,520 being nasty they honestly had a real 491 00:20:13,350 --> 00:20:11,200 question that they wanted answered about 492 00:20:15,270 --> 00:20:13,360 the bob lazar case and you know 493 00:20:18,149 --> 00:20:15,280 something pops up on 494 00:20:20,630 --> 00:20:18,159 this filmmaker social media and 495 00:20:22,149 --> 00:20:20,640 people will ask that question or say hey 496 00:20:24,630 --> 00:20:22,159 why didn't you ask this or why didn't 497 00:20:27,510 --> 00:20:24,640 you do that boom you're blocked because 498 00:20:29,590 --> 00:20:27,520 we can't have people asking questions 499 00:20:32,230 --> 00:20:29,600 that's trying to control the narrative 500 00:20:35,430 --> 00:20:32,240 of the story folks 501 00:20:37,590 --> 00:20:35,440 and i gotta say that is 502 00:20:40,789 --> 00:20:37,600 something that i hope to god i will 503 00:20:43,270 --> 00:20:40,799 never do or never have to do 504 00:20:45,830 --> 00:20:43,280 like i said i do not block now somebody 505 00:20:48,070 --> 00:20:45,840 is being real nasty and belligerent or 506 00:20:49,350 --> 00:20:48,080 you know using a lot of profanity or 507 00:20:52,710 --> 00:20:49,360 just being 508 00:20:55,110 --> 00:20:52,720 really uh i guess vindictive or 509 00:20:57,430 --> 00:20:55,120 or personally insulting about something 510 00:20:59,909 --> 00:20:57,440 that's not my work then yeah i guess i'd 511 00:21:01,110 --> 00:20:59,919 be free to block them but generally i 512 00:21:04,710 --> 00:21:01,120 don't 513 00:21:06,870 --> 00:21:04,720 i allow open debate about all of my work 514 00:21:08,549 --> 00:21:06,880 and tonight folks i'm going to present a 515 00:21:10,149 --> 00:21:08,559 great deal of my work about this bob 516 00:21:11,909 --> 00:21:10,159 lazar case i'm not going to block 517 00:21:13,510 --> 00:21:11,919 anybody if you're a believer bob lazar 518 00:21:15,750 --> 00:21:13,520 you can come to my twitter page you can 519 00:21:18,070 --> 00:21:15,760 come to my facebook page tell me i'm 520 00:21:20,070 --> 00:21:18,080 wrong but tell me why 521 00:21:25,190 --> 00:21:20,080 i will let 522 00:21:27,270 --> 00:21:25,200 questions and those people that don't 523 00:21:28,710 --> 00:21:27,280 are intellectual weaklings 524 00:21:30,870 --> 00:21:28,720 whose work 525 00:21:33,270 --> 00:21:30,880 cannot stand up to scrutiny 526 00:21:36,390 --> 00:21:33,280 tonight folks i'm going to give you 527 00:21:38,149 --> 00:21:36,400 a great deal of research and evidence 528 00:21:41,590 --> 00:21:38,159 and all the research and evidence that 529 00:21:43,270 --> 00:21:41,600 i've done into this case can absolutely 530 00:21:45,270 --> 00:21:43,280 stand up to scrutiny 531 00:21:46,870 --> 00:21:45,280 i don't mind to be i don't mind comments 532 00:21:48,870 --> 00:21:46,880 i don't mind questions i'm not going to 533 00:21:50,710 --> 00:21:48,880 block you for saying something that i 534 00:21:52,390 --> 00:21:50,720 disagree with 535 00:21:54,230 --> 00:21:52,400 and i think 536 00:21:56,870 --> 00:21:54,240 i just had to get that off my chest i 537 00:21:58,950 --> 00:21:56,880 think it's important that we realize 538 00:22:02,149 --> 00:21:58,960 this is some of the things that happen 539 00:22:05,990 --> 00:22:02,159 in our so-called community 540 00:22:07,909 --> 00:22:06,000 now i also have to get one more 541 00:22:08,710 --> 00:22:07,919 piece of personal business out of the 542 00:22:11,110 --> 00:22:08,720 way 543 00:22:14,310 --> 00:22:11,120 last week 544 00:22:16,230 --> 00:22:14,320 the ufo community lost uh living legend 545 00:22:18,549 --> 00:22:16,240 stan friedman 546 00:22:21,510 --> 00:22:18,559 and a lot of people know that i was a 547 00:22:23,750 --> 00:22:21,520 big fan of mr friedman and he was on my 548 00:22:25,430 --> 00:22:23,760 show previously and i had talked to him 549 00:22:28,310 --> 00:22:25,440 many many times and 550 00:22:29,270 --> 00:22:28,320 considered him a friend 551 00:22:31,190 --> 00:22:29,280 and so 552 00:22:33,830 --> 00:22:31,200 you know a lot of people are asking me 553 00:22:35,430 --> 00:22:33,840 questions about stanton friedman and 554 00:22:37,990 --> 00:22:35,440 his passing 555 00:22:40,789 --> 00:22:38,000 and i gotta say that i'm really 556 00:22:42,870 --> 00:22:40,799 it really hit me very hard 557 00:22:44,230 --> 00:22:42,880 because 558 00:22:46,470 --> 00:22:44,240 you know he 559 00:22:49,510 --> 00:22:46,480 went out of his way to help me become a 560 00:22:52,230 --> 00:22:49,520 better researcher and 561 00:22:53,590 --> 00:22:52,240 he and i talked about this case 562 00:22:55,669 --> 00:22:53,600 quite a lot 563 00:22:58,470 --> 00:22:55,679 and when i first started talking 564 00:23:00,950 --> 00:22:58,480 to mr friedman uh 565 00:23:01,990 --> 00:23:00,960 fairly frequently about the case i 566 00:23:04,470 --> 00:23:02,000 started 567 00:23:05,750 --> 00:23:04,480 digging into this bob lazar case and i 568 00:23:08,870 --> 00:23:05,760 was kind of 569 00:23:11,590 --> 00:23:08,880 on the side of uh 570 00:23:13,350 --> 00:23:11,600 you know this case must be true i wanted 571 00:23:14,950 --> 00:23:13,360 it to be true folks 572 00:23:16,630 --> 00:23:14,960 so every time i would find some kind of 573 00:23:18,390 --> 00:23:16,640 information that may support the bob 574 00:23:21,590 --> 00:23:18,400 lazar was telling the truth i would call 575 00:23:22,390 --> 00:23:21,600 up mr friedman and we would have a 576 00:23:24,870 --> 00:23:22,400 talk 577 00:23:26,070 --> 00:23:24,880 a spirited debate about the things that 578 00:23:27,909 --> 00:23:26,080 i found 579 00:23:29,750 --> 00:23:27,919 and quite often mr friedman would send 580 00:23:31,029 --> 00:23:29,760 me in some other directions 581 00:23:32,950 --> 00:23:31,039 and say 582 00:23:35,029 --> 00:23:32,960 you gotta keep digging kid 583 00:23:37,029 --> 00:23:35,039 he always called me kid and i'm gonna 584 00:23:38,870 --> 00:23:37,039 miss that 585 00:23:41,110 --> 00:23:38,880 so 586 00:23:44,789 --> 00:23:41,120 a lot of people are asking me 587 00:23:46,470 --> 00:23:44,799 uh about mr friedman and my relationship 588 00:23:47,830 --> 00:23:46,480 with him which 589 00:23:50,230 --> 00:23:47,840 i've shared 590 00:23:51,909 --> 00:23:50,240 i suppose all i really want to share 591 00:23:55,269 --> 00:23:51,919 about that 592 00:23:56,070 --> 00:23:55,279 personal connection that i had to him 593 00:23:57,990 --> 00:23:56,080 and 594 00:24:00,549 --> 00:23:58,000 other people like richard dolan did 595 00:24:03,669 --> 00:24:00,559 whole shows talking about the tremendous 596 00:24:05,029 --> 00:24:03,679 work that mr friedman did 597 00:24:07,430 --> 00:24:05,039 and 598 00:24:08,670 --> 00:24:07,440 what a void he has left 599 00:24:10,070 --> 00:24:08,680 and 600 00:24:12,710 --> 00:24:10,080 [Music] 601 00:24:14,710 --> 00:24:12,720 all of his contributions and 602 00:24:16,310 --> 00:24:14,720 those people said 603 00:24:18,950 --> 00:24:16,320 everything that can be said about him 604 00:24:21,029 --> 00:24:18,960 much better than i could ever say it 605 00:24:23,750 --> 00:24:21,039 so people were asking me if i was gonna 606 00:24:26,549 --> 00:24:23,760 do some story about stanton friedman or 607 00:24:29,269 --> 00:24:26,559 some kind of tribute and 608 00:24:31,110 --> 00:24:29,279 i gotta say like i said other people 609 00:24:33,029 --> 00:24:31,120 knew him much better than me 610 00:24:35,029 --> 00:24:33,039 and said all the things that could be 611 00:24:37,750 --> 00:24:35,039 said much better than me 612 00:24:40,630 --> 00:24:37,760 but i gave a lot of thought to what he 613 00:24:44,710 --> 00:24:41,510 and 614 00:24:47,510 --> 00:24:44,720 i came to this conclusion folks 615 00:24:48,390 --> 00:24:47,520 what mr freeman would like 616 00:24:49,909 --> 00:24:48,400 is 617 00:24:51,909 --> 00:24:49,919 for people 618 00:24:53,590 --> 00:24:51,919 to do good research 619 00:24:56,470 --> 00:24:53,600 to find the evidence 620 00:24:57,990 --> 00:24:56,480 that people don't want to be found 621 00:25:00,789 --> 00:24:58,000 and to present 622 00:25:02,070 --> 00:25:00,799 the facts and the evidence 623 00:25:05,110 --> 00:25:02,080 to the public 624 00:25:06,310 --> 00:25:05,120 whether they want to hear it or not 625 00:25:08,390 --> 00:25:06,320 and so 626 00:25:10,390 --> 00:25:08,400 in the best tribute 627 00:25:12,230 --> 00:25:10,400 to mr stan friedman that i could think 628 00:25:14,710 --> 00:25:12,240 of 629 00:25:17,350 --> 00:25:14,720 tonight my friends i'm going to dedicate 630 00:25:20,470 --> 00:25:17,360 this show that's going to be filled with 631 00:25:21,909 --> 00:25:20,480 facts and research and evidence 632 00:25:24,789 --> 00:25:21,919 to the memory 633 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:24,799 of that living legend 634 00:25:33,110 --> 00:25:28,170 rest in peace stan freeman 635 00:25:36,549 --> 00:25:34,789 and now my friends 636 00:25:46,230 --> 00:25:36,559 without further ado 637 00:25:49,269 --> 00:25:47,590 now folks 638 00:25:51,510 --> 00:25:49,279 where to begin because we have so much 639 00:25:53,909 --> 00:25:51,520 to cover but i thought we'd begin with 640 00:25:56,470 --> 00:25:53,919 the low hanging fruit some of the easy 641 00:25:59,750 --> 00:25:56,480 things to prove or disprove and so we're 642 00:26:01,830 --> 00:25:59,760 going to begin with bob lazar's 643 00:26:04,230 --> 00:26:01,840 educational credentials 644 00:26:07,269 --> 00:26:04,240 for years and years and years bob lazar 645 00:26:08,789 --> 00:26:07,279 has sworn that he went to caltech and 646 00:26:10,630 --> 00:26:08,799 mit 647 00:26:13,750 --> 00:26:10,640 even when 648 00:26:16,710 --> 00:26:13,760 confronted with massive evidence that 649 00:26:18,870 --> 00:26:16,720 that is a lie he still stuck to his guns 650 00:26:20,950 --> 00:26:18,880 and swore that he went to caltech and 651 00:26:23,909 --> 00:26:20,960 mit 652 00:26:26,630 --> 00:26:23,919 now even though many other people have 653 00:26:30,310 --> 00:26:26,640 already called caltech and mit 654 00:26:33,510 --> 00:26:30,320 i wanted to know for myself so i of 655 00:26:37,750 --> 00:26:33,520 course also called caltech and mit 656 00:26:40,870 --> 00:26:37,760 and no folks there's zero records of bob 657 00:26:45,669 --> 00:26:40,880 lazar ever attending or graduating 658 00:26:47,990 --> 00:26:45,679 from caltech or mit as he described 659 00:26:50,070 --> 00:26:48,000 and in fact there's a great deal of 660 00:26:54,230 --> 00:26:50,080 evidence that he could never have 661 00:26:55,830 --> 00:26:54,240 attended either caltech or mit 662 00:26:57,909 --> 00:26:55,840 first of all 663 00:27:00,070 --> 00:26:57,919 he graduated in the bottom third of his 664 00:27:02,470 --> 00:27:00,080 class in high school 665 00:27:04,470 --> 00:27:02,480 that does not look good for him getting 666 00:27:06,470 --> 00:27:04,480 into a prestigious university like 667 00:27:08,390 --> 00:27:06,480 caltech or mit 668 00:27:10,470 --> 00:27:08,400 generally you have to be in the top 10 669 00:27:12,870 --> 00:27:10,480 percent of your class to get into either 670 00:27:16,149 --> 00:27:12,880 of those two organizations 671 00:27:18,830 --> 00:27:16,159 but there's more proof that he is lying 672 00:27:22,789 --> 00:27:18,840 both about going to caltech or 673 00:27:25,430 --> 00:27:22,799 mit bob lazar was arrested on pandering 674 00:27:28,549 --> 00:27:25,440 charges for apparently running 675 00:27:30,230 --> 00:27:28,559 a house of prostitution 676 00:27:31,750 --> 00:27:30,240 in 677 00:27:33,110 --> 00:27:31,760 nevada 678 00:27:35,750 --> 00:27:33,120 now 679 00:27:37,669 --> 00:27:35,760 apparently this was not a legal 680 00:27:38,630 --> 00:27:37,679 brothel 681 00:27:41,350 --> 00:27:38,640 and 682 00:27:42,230 --> 00:27:41,360 he was arrested 683 00:27:45,590 --> 00:27:42,240 and 684 00:27:48,310 --> 00:27:45,600 in the court documents he had to provide 685 00:27:49,590 --> 00:27:48,320 to the department of parole and 686 00:27:51,750 --> 00:27:49,600 probation 687 00:27:53,909 --> 00:27:51,760 all of his background information 688 00:27:55,269 --> 00:27:53,919 and in that in those court documents 689 00:27:58,470 --> 00:27:55,279 which i have 690 00:28:01,669 --> 00:27:58,480 he stated that his undergraduate degree 691 00:28:04,789 --> 00:28:01,679 where he got his bachelor's degree folks 692 00:28:07,430 --> 00:28:04,799 was pacifica university 693 00:28:09,990 --> 00:28:07,440 pacifica university my friends is a 694 00:28:11,669 --> 00:28:10,000 degree mill it's not a real school 695 00:28:13,669 --> 00:28:11,679 it's one of those places that you give a 696 00:28:15,269 --> 00:28:13,679 couple hundred bucks to and they give 697 00:28:17,029 --> 00:28:15,279 you a fancy degree 698 00:28:19,029 --> 00:28:17,039 that you can hang up on your wall and 699 00:28:21,190 --> 00:28:19,039 impress your stupid friends with it's 700 00:28:21,990 --> 00:28:21,200 not a real bachelor's degree 701 00:28:24,710 --> 00:28:22,000 but 702 00:28:28,470 --> 00:28:24,720 i wanted to be entirely sure 703 00:28:29,990 --> 00:28:28,480 so i called caltech and mit back 704 00:28:32,230 --> 00:28:30,000 and i explained that this person that 705 00:28:33,990 --> 00:28:32,240 claims to have been a student 706 00:28:35,430 --> 00:28:34,000 uh at your 707 00:28:37,909 --> 00:28:35,440 college 708 00:28:39,909 --> 00:28:37,919 claims that he got a degree mill degree 709 00:28:42,710 --> 00:28:39,919 from pacific university that was his 710 00:28:44,149 --> 00:28:42,720 undergraduate or bachelor's degree 711 00:28:45,990 --> 00:28:44,159 and i asked 712 00:28:48,950 --> 00:28:46,000 the admission people 713 00:28:52,389 --> 00:28:48,960 very carefully could anyone get into 714 00:28:55,430 --> 00:28:52,399 your college with a degree male degree 715 00:28:57,510 --> 00:28:55,440 from something like pacifica university 716 00:29:00,549 --> 00:28:57,520 and i gotta tell you it took quite a few 717 00:29:02,470 --> 00:29:00,559 phone calls especially with mit to get 718 00:29:04,710 --> 00:29:02,480 some cooperation from the admissions 719 00:29:05,750 --> 00:29:04,720 people because they're kind of confused 720 00:29:07,350 --> 00:29:05,760 what do you mean 721 00:29:10,070 --> 00:29:07,360 a degree mill you mean one of those 722 00:29:13,190 --> 00:29:10,080 things you just buy no you can't come to 723 00:29:17,029 --> 00:29:13,200 a master's program at mit 724 00:29:20,710 --> 00:29:17,039 by giving us 725 00:29:22,549 --> 00:29:20,720 a degree mill purchased [\h__\h] degree 726 00:29:25,510 --> 00:29:22,559 and that's a quote 727 00:29:28,149 --> 00:29:25,520 folks from an mit admissions person here 728 00:29:30,230 --> 00:29:28,159 that i have as a citable source you 729 00:29:32,549 --> 00:29:30,240 cannot get into mit 730 00:29:35,029 --> 00:29:32,559 or caltech 731 00:29:36,789 --> 00:29:35,039 with a degree meal degree that you 732 00:29:38,950 --> 00:29:36,799 purchased online 733 00:29:41,510 --> 00:29:38,960 it just doesn't happen folks he could 734 00:29:42,789 --> 00:29:41,520 not have gotten into either caltech or 735 00:29:45,990 --> 00:29:42,799 mit 736 00:29:48,470 --> 00:29:46,000 other people have verified various ways 737 00:29:50,230 --> 00:29:48,480 that he did not attend caltech or mit 738 00:29:52,389 --> 00:29:50,240 but i wanted to call them just to be 739 00:29:55,029 --> 00:29:52,399 sure and say could this person have 740 00:29:56,230 --> 00:29:55,039 gotten into your college with 741 00:29:58,870 --> 00:29:56,240 a degree 742 00:30:01,669 --> 00:29:58,880 an undergraduate degree 743 00:30:04,549 --> 00:30:01,679 from pacifica university 744 00:30:07,269 --> 00:30:04,559 and both caltech and mit both confirmed 745 00:30:09,669 --> 00:30:07,279 for me there is absolutely no way 746 00:30:13,029 --> 00:30:09,679 that you can get into a master's program 747 00:30:14,630 --> 00:30:13,039 with a degree mill degree period folks 748 00:30:16,549 --> 00:30:14,640 he could not have attended either 749 00:30:18,870 --> 00:30:16,559 caltech or mit 750 00:30:20,789 --> 00:30:18,880 with that sort of 751 00:30:22,470 --> 00:30:20,799 fake credential they checked these 752 00:30:24,950 --> 00:30:22,480 things folks 753 00:30:26,789 --> 00:30:24,960 those are both very prestigious colleges 754 00:30:28,310 --> 00:30:26,799 they don't just let anyone in that just 755 00:30:31,750 --> 00:30:28,320 bought a degree online for a couple 756 00:30:33,669 --> 00:30:31,760 hundred bucks it doesn't happen 757 00:30:35,350 --> 00:30:33,679 but 758 00:30:37,830 --> 00:30:35,360 i wanted to be sure to present to my 759 00:30:39,990 --> 00:30:37,840 listeners all of the evidence about his 760 00:30:41,430 --> 00:30:40,000 educational background being fake and 761 00:30:42,470 --> 00:30:41,440 fraudulent 762 00:30:44,549 --> 00:30:42,480 so 763 00:30:45,909 --> 00:30:44,559 i want to cite fair use here and play 764 00:30:48,149 --> 00:30:45,919 you some clips 765 00:30:49,990 --> 00:30:48,159 it's very important that i say that all 766 00:30:52,149 --> 00:30:50,000 these clips are out there in the public 767 00:30:55,269 --> 00:30:52,159 domain and we're going to be commenting 768 00:30:57,990 --> 00:30:55,279 on them and discussing them so 769 00:30:59,590 --> 00:30:58,000 fair use is fair game to play these 770 00:31:02,070 --> 00:30:59,600 clips folks 771 00:31:04,310 --> 00:31:02,080 so let's get to the clips 772 00:31:05,669 --> 00:31:04,320 and let's hear what other people close 773 00:31:07,909 --> 00:31:05,679 to this case 774 00:31:11,669 --> 00:31:07,919 or that have investigated this case very 775 00:31:14,389 --> 00:31:11,679 closely have had to say about bob lazar 776 00:31:17,029 --> 00:31:14,399 and his educational credentials and 777 00:31:22,310 --> 00:31:19,190 the question i had was what was the year 778 00:31:29,750 --> 00:31:22,320 of your graduation from mit and 779 00:31:34,470 --> 00:31:31,590 the year what was your graduation 780 00:31:39,110 --> 00:31:37,350 probably 82 because i think i left there 781 00:31:41,990 --> 00:31:39,120 i went to los alamos i went to los 782 00:31:46,630 --> 00:31:44,149 could you reveal some of the professors 783 00:31:48,389 --> 00:31:46,640 at mit and calton 784 00:31:50,549 --> 00:31:48,399 yeah if you want 785 00:31:55,190 --> 00:31:50,559 i don't have a list of them here dr 786 00:32:02,230 --> 00:31:57,750 hosefield was another 787 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:13,430 [Applause] 788 00:32:17,110 --> 00:32:15,190 i did a lot of checking on bob i tried 789 00:32:20,149 --> 00:32:17,120 to meet with him twice i was supposed to 790 00:32:22,149 --> 00:32:20,159 on one occasion and he didn't go along i 791 00:32:23,909 --> 00:32:22,159 checked at mit i checked at caltech 792 00:32:25,590 --> 00:32:23,919 neither one ever heard of him well but 793 00:32:27,430 --> 00:32:25,600 the government wiped his records clean 794 00:32:30,389 --> 00:32:27,440 as the response i talked to the legal 795 00:32:32,389 --> 00:32:30,399 counsel at mit no way to do that i 796 00:32:33,190 --> 00:32:32,399 talked with the guy who has the degrees 797 00:32:35,110 --> 00:32:33,200 the 798 00:32:36,230 --> 00:32:35,120 commencement lists and all that sort of 799 00:32:38,310 --> 00:32:36,240 thing 800 00:32:40,630 --> 00:32:38,320 no mention of lazar none of the 801 00:32:42,710 --> 00:32:40,640 yearbooks show lazar 802 00:32:44,070 --> 00:32:42,720 you need it for a master's thesis uh 803 00:32:45,190 --> 00:32:44,080 well for a master's degree you need a 804 00:32:47,190 --> 00:32:45,200 thesis 805 00:32:49,909 --> 00:32:47,200 i talked to the guy who holds those no 806 00:32:52,310 --> 00:32:49,919 lazar he was asked to name 807 00:32:54,630 --> 00:32:52,320 some of his professors uh he named 808 00:32:57,110 --> 00:32:54,640 somebody bill somebody i won't use his 809 00:32:59,029 --> 00:32:57,120 name on here i checked on him was not a 810 00:33:00,149 --> 00:32:59,039 common name fortunately he was a 811 00:33:02,230 --> 00:33:00,159 physicist 812 00:33:04,710 --> 00:33:02,240 the only trouble is bob said he would 813 00:33:06,310 --> 00:33:04,720 remember him from caltech this 814 00:33:08,230 --> 00:33:06,320 individual bill 815 00:33:10,710 --> 00:33:08,240 never taught at caltech he only taught 816 00:33:12,789 --> 00:33:10,720 at pierce junior college now bob himself 817 00:33:14,870 --> 00:33:12,799 had mentioned pierce to me on the phone 818 00:33:17,029 --> 00:33:14,880 he did go there now that's in southern 819 00:33:18,389 --> 00:33:17,039 california but and he was going there at 820 00:33:22,149 --> 00:33:18,399 the same time that he was supposedly 821 00:33:23,590 --> 00:33:22,159 attending mit 2500 miles east of there 822 00:33:24,710 --> 00:33:23,600 one heck of a commute if you can go to 823 00:33:27,669 --> 00:33:24,720 mit 824 00:33:29,350 --> 00:33:27,679 you don't go to pierce junior college i 825 00:33:30,789 --> 00:33:29,360 checked with this high school he 826 00:33:33,269 --> 00:33:30,799 finished in the bottom third of his high 827 00:33:36,310 --> 00:33:33,279 school class you can't get into mit if 828 00:33:38,789 --> 00:33:36,320 you're outside usually the top 10 15 20 829 00:33:41,430 --> 00:33:38,799 of your class bottom third never his 830 00:33:44,870 --> 00:33:41,440 element 115 scheme won't work sounds 831 00:33:47,909 --> 00:33:44,880 good science fiction sincerity is not a 832 00:33:49,990 --> 00:33:47,919 check on truth 833 00:33:52,630 --> 00:33:50,000 he has never produced his original 834 00:33:55,350 --> 00:33:52,640 master's degree from either mit or 835 00:33:58,630 --> 00:33:55,360 caltech he's never produced it and every 836 00:34:00,470 --> 00:33:58,640 effort to locate those degrees has 837 00:34:02,230 --> 00:34:00,480 completely failed including the research 838 00:34:05,509 --> 00:34:02,240 by stanton friedman 839 00:34:08,230 --> 00:34:05,519 also i've got a copy of the mit yearbook 840 00:34:10,550 --> 00:34:08,240 during the early 1980s there's nothing 841 00:34:11,829 --> 00:34:10,560 there there's no name there's no picture 842 00:34:13,669 --> 00:34:11,839 he doesn't appear in any of the 843 00:34:16,550 --> 00:34:13,679 yearbooks so that's a red flag that we 844 00:34:19,430 --> 00:34:16,560 need to look at i've got a letter here 845 00:34:23,669 --> 00:34:19,440 to john andrews from robert keisler 846 00:34:26,069 --> 00:34:23,679 dated march 19 1990 talking about his 847 00:34:28,869 --> 00:34:26,079 efforts to find bob's 848 00:34:31,909 --> 00:34:28,879 magneto hydrodynamic master's thesis 849 00:34:34,710 --> 00:34:31,919 from mit and it says dear mr andrews i 850 00:34:38,629 --> 00:34:34,720 am sorry we are unable to locate a copy 851 00:34:41,669 --> 00:34:38,639 of mr robert scott lazar's thesis on mhd 852 00:34:44,069 --> 00:34:41,679 in our facility let's review this 853 00:34:46,470 --> 00:34:44,079 according to lazar then the government 854 00:34:49,510 --> 00:34:46,480 not only wiped out his degrees 855 00:34:51,510 --> 00:34:49,520 his both degrees they wiped out all of 856 00:34:55,190 --> 00:34:51,520 the yearbooks so in essence they had to 857 00:34:57,750 --> 00:34:55,200 crawl up into the dusty ceiling addicts 858 00:35:00,310 --> 00:34:57,760 of all the uh graduates from mit and 859 00:35:02,470 --> 00:35:00,320 steal the yearbooks out and then they 860 00:35:05,190 --> 00:35:02,480 also scrubbed his uh 861 00:35:07,430 --> 00:35:05,200 magneto hydrodynamic master thesis it's 862 00:35:09,510 --> 00:35:07,440 completely gone from every repository 863 00:35:12,310 --> 00:35:09,520 that just doesn't sound logical or 864 00:35:13,630 --> 00:35:12,320 reasonable to me 865 00:35:15,190 --> 00:35:13,640 it was 866 00:35:17,589 --> 00:35:15,200 1990. 867 00:35:20,310 --> 00:35:17,599 i was working at cnn 868 00:35:23,190 --> 00:35:20,320 and i was a producer 869 00:35:27,510 --> 00:35:23,200 and i got a call in atlanta 870 00:35:30,710 --> 00:35:27,520 uh at cnn at my office from bob lazar so 871 00:35:32,310 --> 00:35:30,720 i went to las vegas i met with all of 872 00:35:34,470 --> 00:35:32,320 those guys 873 00:35:37,990 --> 00:35:34,480 and here is 874 00:35:41,109 --> 00:35:38,000 the moment of talking with bob lazar 875 00:35:42,950 --> 00:35:41,119 that is indelible in my mind 876 00:35:45,030 --> 00:35:42,960 and he had told me 877 00:35:47,589 --> 00:35:45,040 that when stanton friedman had 878 00:35:50,150 --> 00:35:47,599 questioned him about the fact that he 879 00:35:53,349 --> 00:35:50,160 had no degree from mit he said i never 880 00:35:54,230 --> 00:35:53,359 ever said i had a degree from mit 881 00:35:57,030 --> 00:35:54,240 or 882 00:36:01,030 --> 00:35:57,040 anything like that what happened linda 883 00:36:04,790 --> 00:36:01,040 is my i'm an adopted child 884 00:36:07,510 --> 00:36:04,800 and my parents uh lived in florida 885 00:36:09,750 --> 00:36:07,520 and they didn't make much money and i 886 00:36:11,510 --> 00:36:09,760 had gone to school with some buddies we 887 00:36:14,470 --> 00:36:11,520 liked electrical things we liked 888 00:36:17,270 --> 00:36:14,480 engineering we liked taking cars apart 889 00:36:20,790 --> 00:36:17,280 and some of my buddies got 890 00:36:24,310 --> 00:36:20,800 accepted to mit he said i drove up to 891 00:36:26,550 --> 00:36:24,320 see them as my friends and i went to 892 00:36:28,710 --> 00:36:26,560 one of their classes 893 00:36:30,310 --> 00:36:28,720 for a few days he would just go and sit 894 00:36:32,790 --> 00:36:30,320 and he said and i learned some things i 895 00:36:34,550 --> 00:36:32,800 became even more interested in having 896 00:36:36,069 --> 00:36:34,560 some kind of a career in which i would 897 00:36:38,630 --> 00:36:36,079 be dealing with electronic and 898 00:36:41,270 --> 00:36:38,640 engineering things and he said that's 899 00:36:43,349 --> 00:36:41,280 what i learned at mit i never told 900 00:36:45,670 --> 00:36:43,359 anybody i had a degree 901 00:36:47,030 --> 00:36:45,680 so it's clear from these clips folks 902 00:36:48,790 --> 00:36:47,040 let's just get that right out of the way 903 00:36:51,750 --> 00:36:48,800 this man completely and totally 904 00:36:53,829 --> 00:36:51,760 fabricated his education there's no way 905 00:36:56,069 --> 00:36:53,839 that he went to caltech there's no way 906 00:36:57,910 --> 00:36:56,079 that he went to mit and did you catch 907 00:36:59,990 --> 00:36:57,920 that clip of linda multn telling her 908 00:37:01,910 --> 00:37:00,000 story according to linda molten house 909 00:37:04,390 --> 00:37:01,920 first-hand account having spoken to bob 910 00:37:06,550 --> 00:37:04,400 lazar he claimed he never said that he 911 00:37:08,390 --> 00:37:06,560 went to mit 912 00:37:11,670 --> 00:37:08,400 which is strange because right from the 913 00:37:13,349 --> 00:37:11,680 first story about bob lazar 914 00:37:15,349 --> 00:37:13,359 it was reported that he claimed that he 915 00:37:16,870 --> 00:37:15,359 went to caltech or mit why would he tell 916 00:37:18,950 --> 00:37:16,880 somebody else that he never said that 917 00:37:20,630 --> 00:37:18,960 and he just sort of hung out at caltech 918 00:37:23,990 --> 00:37:20,640 and mit because he was interested in 919 00:37:26,150 --> 00:37:24,000 these things that part of the story is 920 00:37:27,990 --> 00:37:26,160 somewhat new most people haven't heard 921 00:37:29,910 --> 00:37:28,000 that account that he just sort of hung 922 00:37:31,589 --> 00:37:29,920 out at 923 00:37:33,990 --> 00:37:31,599 some of these colleges because he had an 924 00:37:35,670 --> 00:37:34,000 intense interest in his parents rapport 925 00:37:37,670 --> 00:37:35,680 i have some sympathy for 926 00:37:39,910 --> 00:37:37,680 went through something similar myself 927 00:37:41,670 --> 00:37:39,920 just sort of hang out you know you could 928 00:37:43,670 --> 00:37:41,680 just walk into a class if you're 929 00:37:45,109 --> 00:37:43,680 interested in it you know like i have a 930 00:37:47,270 --> 00:37:45,119 friend i'm like what class you're going 931 00:37:49,270 --> 00:37:47,280 to psychology yeah let's let's what 932 00:37:51,510 --> 00:37:49,280 class are you going to philosophy yeah 933 00:37:53,750 --> 00:37:51,520 let's go sit on a lecture 934 00:37:56,069 --> 00:37:53,760 now we're going to move on real quickly 935 00:37:57,510 --> 00:37:56,079 to cover the subject of his thesis no 936 00:38:00,069 --> 00:37:57,520 one has ever been able to find his 937 00:38:02,630 --> 00:38:00,079 thesis folks no one 938 00:38:05,670 --> 00:38:02,640 a thesis is something that you work on 939 00:38:07,990 --> 00:38:05,680 for years go ask anybody you know that 940 00:38:10,390 --> 00:38:08,000 has ever written a master's thesis if 941 00:38:12,069 --> 00:38:10,400 they have a copy i guarantee you that 942 00:38:14,710 --> 00:38:12,079 anybody that you know that has a 943 00:38:16,710 --> 00:38:14,720 master's degree can give you or get you 944 00:38:18,230 --> 00:38:16,720 a copy of their master's thesis 945 00:38:20,550 --> 00:38:18,240 bulbasaur has never been able to produce 946 00:38:22,470 --> 00:38:20,560 this thesis and i have to say we 947 00:38:25,829 --> 00:38:22,480 mentioned this filmmaker making this 948 00:38:28,550 --> 00:38:25,839 pro-lazar propaganda piece i asked him 949 00:38:30,470 --> 00:38:28,560 time and time and time again 950 00:38:31,910 --> 00:38:30,480 if you're going to do this film before 951 00:38:33,270 --> 00:38:31,920 the film was made i asked him this if 952 00:38:35,510 --> 00:38:33,280 you're going to do this film 953 00:38:37,510 --> 00:38:35,520 get a copy of his thesis ask him what 954 00:38:39,750 --> 00:38:37,520 happened to the thesis that mysteriously 955 00:38:41,510 --> 00:38:39,760 wasn't in the film folks no mention of 956 00:38:42,870 --> 00:38:41,520 the thesis that bob lazor claimed he 957 00:38:45,349 --> 00:38:42,880 wrote and i got to tell you that was a 958 00:38:48,470 --> 00:38:45,359 big red flag to me that this film was a 959 00:38:50,230 --> 00:38:48,480 con job we've mentioned that a filmmaker 960 00:38:52,630 --> 00:38:50,240 made a film and 961 00:38:55,030 --> 00:38:52,640 even interviewed bob azar's mother had 962 00:38:57,829 --> 00:38:55,040 access by the way to bob lazar's sister 963 00:39:00,150 --> 00:38:57,839 and either didn't bother to ask either 964 00:39:02,870 --> 00:39:00,160 bob lazar's mother and sister if he went 965 00:39:04,390 --> 00:39:02,880 to caltech or mit or he did ask those 966 00:39:06,150 --> 00:39:04,400 questions didn't like the answer because 967 00:39:08,069 --> 00:39:06,160 it didn't fit the narrative that he was 968 00:39:08,950 --> 00:39:08,079 didn't fit that story he was trying to 969 00:39:10,550 --> 00:39:08,960 sell 970 00:39:12,710 --> 00:39:10,560 so he left them out of the film those 971 00:39:14,710 --> 00:39:12,720 are the only two choices folks and again 972 00:39:16,550 --> 00:39:14,720 folks i asked this filmmaker before the 973 00:39:18,230 --> 00:39:16,560 film was made promised me that he would 974 00:39:20,150 --> 00:39:18,240 ask him about his thesis he didn't ask 975 00:39:22,950 --> 00:39:20,160 him about his thesis in the film so 976 00:39:25,349 --> 00:39:22,960 again either he didn't bother to ask him 977 00:39:28,310 --> 00:39:25,359 about this thesis or to produce it or he 978 00:39:31,030 --> 00:39:28,320 did and didn't like the answer didn't 979 00:39:32,710 --> 00:39:31,040 fit the story he was trying to sell once 980 00:39:34,790 --> 00:39:32,720 again we keep coming back to that folks 981 00:39:36,950 --> 00:39:34,800 because those are the only two choices 982 00:39:40,150 --> 00:39:36,960 for this lack of research this lack of 983 00:39:42,710 --> 00:39:40,160 effort or a purposeful and deliberate 984 00:39:45,109 --> 00:39:42,720 attempt to leave those parts of the 985 00:39:47,430 --> 00:39:45,119 story out of the film so that people 986 00:39:49,670 --> 00:39:47,440 would believe the story those are the 987 00:39:51,990 --> 00:39:49,680 only two choices folks a lot of people 988 00:39:54,069 --> 00:39:52,000 claim that the men in black the secret 989 00:39:57,270 --> 00:39:54,079 government people came and erased his 990 00:39:59,750 --> 00:39:57,280 mit records and his caltech records come 991 00:40:01,750 --> 00:39:59,760 on folks michael schratz right the men 992 00:40:04,230 --> 00:40:01,760 in black would have to go visit everyone 993 00:40:07,190 --> 00:40:04,240 that had a master's thesis that year get 994 00:40:10,230 --> 00:40:07,200 their yearbooks and erase bob lazar from 995 00:40:12,630 --> 00:40:10,240 that yearbook in somebody's dusty attic 996 00:40:14,069 --> 00:40:12,640 garage or basement so if you're going to 997 00:40:15,990 --> 00:40:14,079 believe that narrative that the men in 998 00:40:17,829 --> 00:40:16,000 black came and erased his educational 999 00:40:19,349 --> 00:40:17,839 credentials then you got to believe that 1000 00:40:21,910 --> 00:40:19,359 a bunch of men in black crawled into 1001 00:40:24,390 --> 00:40:21,920 everybody's attic basement and garage 1002 00:40:26,309 --> 00:40:24,400 stole their yearbook come on folks we've 1003 00:40:29,910 --> 00:40:26,319 wasted enough time on his education 1004 00:40:31,510 --> 00:40:29,920 education is a fraud folks it's fake 1005 00:40:33,829 --> 00:40:31,520 let's now the next big 1006 00:40:35,829 --> 00:40:33,839 claim that bob lazar made that people 1007 00:40:38,230 --> 00:40:35,839 love to argue about is that before he 1008 00:40:41,190 --> 00:40:38,240 worked at area 51 back engineering 1009 00:40:44,230 --> 00:40:41,200 flying saucers he worked at los alamos 1010 00:40:47,270 --> 00:40:44,240 national labs very prestigious lab 1011 00:40:50,230 --> 00:40:47,280 famous for working on secret projects 1012 00:40:52,790 --> 00:40:50,240 and there he was a senior 1013 00:40:54,870 --> 00:40:52,800 level physicist 1014 00:40:57,589 --> 00:40:54,880 and i got to tell you many people have 1015 00:40:59,109 --> 00:40:57,599 looked into this not one person has been 1016 00:41:02,390 --> 00:40:59,119 able to find proof 1017 00:41:05,430 --> 00:41:02,400 that he worked there as a senior level 1018 00:41:07,430 --> 00:41:05,440 physicist yes somebody found his name 1019 00:41:08,950 --> 00:41:07,440 in one of the phone books and next to 1020 00:41:13,109 --> 00:41:08,960 the 1021 00:41:14,550 --> 00:41:13,119 number to contact him at los alamos 1022 00:41:17,990 --> 00:41:14,560 national labs 1023 00:41:21,030 --> 00:41:18,000 were the letters k m which my friends 1024 00:41:23,670 --> 00:41:21,040 stand for kirk meyer 1025 00:41:26,710 --> 00:41:23,680 that means that bob lazar 1026 00:41:28,550 --> 00:41:26,720 maybe worked there but he was a 1027 00:41:31,589 --> 00:41:28,560 subcontractor 1028 00:41:34,470 --> 00:41:31,599 who actually worked for kirk meyer 1029 00:41:37,270 --> 00:41:34,480 as a subcontractor somewhere in some 1030 00:41:40,550 --> 00:41:37,280 capacity in the lab but it's important 1031 00:41:41,990 --> 00:41:40,560 that you realize that kirk meyer did not 1032 00:41:44,390 --> 00:41:42,000 subcontract 1033 00:41:45,750 --> 00:41:44,400 physicists or senior level physicists 1034 00:41:47,030 --> 00:41:45,760 for sure 1035 00:41:49,109 --> 00:41:47,040 to 1036 00:41:50,550 --> 00:41:49,119 los alamos national labs 1037 00:41:51,829 --> 00:41:50,560 no in fact 1038 00:41:55,030 --> 00:41:51,839 the only 1039 00:41:56,790 --> 00:41:55,040 type of people that kirk meyer 1040 00:42:00,230 --> 00:41:56,800 contracted 1041 00:42:03,990 --> 00:42:00,240 to work at los alamos were technicians 1042 00:42:06,150 --> 00:42:04,000 low low level technicians 1043 00:42:09,349 --> 00:42:06,160 now i have my own source 1044 00:42:11,270 --> 00:42:09,359 that worked at los alamos national lab 1045 00:42:12,790 --> 00:42:11,280 at the time that bob lazar claims to 1046 00:42:14,870 --> 00:42:12,800 have worked there 1047 00:42:17,750 --> 00:42:14,880 remembered bob lazar 1048 00:42:20,870 --> 00:42:17,760 and told me that bob lazar was a 1049 00:42:24,069 --> 00:42:20,880 technician who worked on radiation 1050 00:42:25,670 --> 00:42:24,079 health monitoring equipment 1051 00:42:26,390 --> 00:42:25,680 that's right folks 1052 00:42:28,309 --> 00:42:26,400 and 1053 00:42:30,390 --> 00:42:28,319 multiple people 1054 00:42:32,630 --> 00:42:30,400 have reported that bob lazar had some 1055 00:42:35,109 --> 00:42:32,640 kind of contracts with the government 1056 00:42:39,430 --> 00:42:35,119 working on these 1057 00:42:41,750 --> 00:42:39,440 radiation health monitoring equipment 1058 00:42:45,109 --> 00:42:41,760 but it's not just my own source we have 1059 00:42:47,630 --> 00:42:45,119 a second source who verifies 1060 00:42:49,990 --> 00:42:47,640 the same thing 1061 00:42:53,270 --> 00:42:50,000 astrophysicist dr 1062 00:42:56,470 --> 00:42:53,280 eric w davis 1063 00:42:59,349 --> 00:42:56,480 who's an actual real astrophysicist you 1064 00:43:01,910 --> 00:42:59,359 can verify that man's credentials you 1065 00:43:04,550 --> 00:43:01,920 could verify that that man worked on 1066 00:43:06,470 --> 00:43:04,560 secret projects and had 1067 00:43:09,270 --> 00:43:06,480 some sort of top secret clearance in 1068 00:43:12,470 --> 00:43:09,280 working on black government projects he 1069 00:43:13,990 --> 00:43:12,480 refutes bob lazar's claims of ever 1070 00:43:17,190 --> 00:43:14,000 having been 1071 00:43:19,589 --> 00:43:17,200 a physicist or a scientist at all at los 1072 00:43:22,630 --> 00:43:19,599 alamos national labs 1073 00:43:25,109 --> 00:43:22,640 this real doctor and astrophysicist 1074 00:43:27,190 --> 00:43:25,119 actually refutes that babozar ever 1075 00:43:29,750 --> 00:43:27,200 worked at area 51 1076 00:43:31,910 --> 00:43:29,760 and new people working there at the time 1077 00:43:35,670 --> 00:43:31,920 that bob claimed to have been 1078 00:43:38,069 --> 00:43:35,680 and in fact what he says is this 1079 00:43:40,710 --> 00:43:38,079 and this is a quote as if lazarus 1080 00:43:43,430 --> 00:43:40,720 verifiably false claims deserve a public 1081 00:43:45,510 --> 00:43:43,440 stage it was impossible for lazar to do 1082 00:43:47,829 --> 00:43:45,520 phd level work 1083 00:43:49,670 --> 00:43:47,839 at los alamos national labs because he 1084 00:43:51,430 --> 00:43:49,680 only had a high school education with a 1085 00:43:54,390 --> 00:43:51,440 c average grade 1086 00:43:56,870 --> 00:43:54,400 thus he had no education or training to 1087 00:43:59,190 --> 00:43:56,880 be a scientist he did not take high 1088 00:44:02,069 --> 00:43:59,200 school physics his job 1089 00:44:04,390 --> 00:44:02,079 was as a radiation health monitor which 1090 00:44:07,510 --> 00:44:04,400 did not require security clearances so 1091 00:44:09,829 --> 00:44:07,520 he did not get access to area 51 since 1092 00:44:12,270 --> 00:44:09,839 his workstation was off-site 1093 00:44:15,190 --> 00:44:12,280 logistics support facility which is 1094 00:44:17,349 --> 00:44:15,200 unclassified mr davis also went on to 1095 00:44:18,950 --> 00:44:17,359 say he's also a convicted felon in the 1096 00:44:20,870 --> 00:44:18,960 state of nirvana 1097 00:44:23,589 --> 00:44:20,880 in civil society having been charged 1098 00:44:26,150 --> 00:44:23,599 with and convicted of a felony crime in 1099 00:44:29,030 --> 00:44:26,160 a court of law by one's peers directly 1100 00:44:31,829 --> 00:44:29,040 impugns one's credibility truthfulness 1101 00:44:33,589 --> 00:44:31,839 and obedience to the law he goes on to 1102 00:44:35,510 --> 00:44:33,599 say that these three items go to the 1103 00:44:39,190 --> 00:44:35,520 heart of why some people fail to earn 1104 00:44:41,109 --> 00:44:39,200 security clearances lazar never had 1105 00:44:44,790 --> 00:44:41,119 security clearances to begin with 1106 00:44:47,190 --> 00:44:44,800 because his job was at an unclassified 1107 00:44:49,589 --> 00:44:47,200 physically disconnected area 51 1108 00:44:50,550 --> 00:44:49,599 logistics support facility and did not 1109 00:44:52,630 --> 00:44:50,560 require 1110 00:44:54,470 --> 00:44:52,640 security clearances 1111 00:44:55,589 --> 00:44:54,480 so again just to recap i have my own 1112 00:44:58,069 --> 00:44:55,599 source 1113 00:44:59,510 --> 00:44:58,079 at los alamos national labs worked at 1114 00:45:01,910 --> 00:44:59,520 the time said 1115 00:45:03,430 --> 00:45:01,920 bob lazar was never a scientist 1116 00:45:06,150 --> 00:45:03,440 he worked as 1117 00:45:07,510 --> 00:45:06,160 he worked on radiation health monitoring 1118 00:45:08,470 --> 00:45:07,520 equipment 1119 00:45:10,309 --> 00:45:08,480 now 1120 00:45:12,390 --> 00:45:10,319 i always like to have multiple sources 1121 00:45:14,630 --> 00:45:12,400 so one source is not enough we have an 1122 00:45:16,309 --> 00:45:14,640 astrophysicist who worked on 1123 00:45:17,270 --> 00:45:16,319 top secret projects 1124 00:45:18,870 --> 00:45:17,280 who 1125 00:45:21,829 --> 00:45:18,880 verifies 1126 00:45:24,230 --> 00:45:21,839 the claim of my first source so we have 1127 00:45:27,589 --> 00:45:24,240 a second source saying he worked as a 1128 00:45:28,950 --> 00:45:27,599 radiation health monitor we've also got 1129 00:45:31,589 --> 00:45:28,960 a third source 1130 00:45:35,190 --> 00:45:31,599 to support that story because john lear 1131 00:45:38,069 --> 00:45:35,200 has mentioned many times that bob lazar 1132 00:45:39,430 --> 00:45:38,079 worked on this radiation monitoring 1133 00:45:43,990 --> 00:45:39,440 equipment 1134 00:45:46,790 --> 00:45:44,000 around area 51. so the claim 1135 00:45:48,069 --> 00:45:46,800 and claims that he was a senior level 1136 00:45:50,390 --> 00:45:48,079 physicist 1137 00:45:53,109 --> 00:45:50,400 at los alamos national lab are 1138 00:45:54,630 --> 00:45:53,119 absolutely and totally false 1139 00:45:57,430 --> 00:45:54,640 also 1140 00:45:59,670 --> 00:45:57,440 i have another source who 1141 00:46:02,470 --> 00:45:59,680 i can verify works at los alamos 1142 00:46:04,630 --> 00:46:02,480 national labs who was interested in this 1143 00:46:06,390 --> 00:46:04,640 case somewhat but didn't work there at 1144 00:46:08,390 --> 00:46:06,400 the time so she went to people that did 1145 00:46:09,430 --> 00:46:08,400 work there at the time to ask about bob 1146 00:46:11,030 --> 00:46:09,440 lazar 1147 00:46:14,710 --> 00:46:11,040 and what she got 1148 00:46:17,670 --> 00:46:14,720 was a lot of stories about how 1149 00:46:19,910 --> 00:46:17,680 people were shocked and surprised that 1150 00:46:22,230 --> 00:46:19,920 worked there at the time bob lazar did 1151 00:46:24,710 --> 00:46:22,240 because he had a story about him in the 1152 00:46:27,990 --> 00:46:24,720 local newspaper about his 1153 00:46:30,150 --> 00:46:28,000 jet powered car and in that article he 1154 00:46:32,230 --> 00:46:30,160 claimed that he was a physicist at los 1155 00:46:33,510 --> 00:46:32,240 alamos national labs the people that 1156 00:46:34,870 --> 00:46:33,520 worked there at the time were kind of 1157 00:46:36,309 --> 00:46:34,880 taken aback 1158 00:46:38,630 --> 00:46:36,319 why would this man say he was a 1159 00:46:40,390 --> 00:46:38,640 physicist he works on radiation health 1160 00:46:41,990 --> 00:46:40,400 monitoring equipment 1161 00:46:43,589 --> 00:46:42,000 i got that from a separate source that 1162 00:46:46,150 --> 00:46:43,599 people were shocked and amazed that bob 1163 00:46:48,069 --> 00:46:46,160 lazar was claiming to be a physicist 1164 00:46:50,069 --> 00:46:48,079 now this filmmaker came up with some dr 1165 00:46:52,630 --> 00:46:50,079 krangel guy who said oh yeah bob was a 1166 00:46:54,230 --> 00:46:52,640 physicist uh you know because and he was 1167 00:46:57,829 --> 00:46:54,240 definitely a scientist he had a pocket 1168 00:46:59,349 --> 00:46:57,839 protector and everything well friends if 1169 00:47:01,349 --> 00:46:59,359 pocket protector and looking like a 1170 00:47:03,589 --> 00:47:01,359 scientist is all it takes to declare 1171 00:47:06,230 --> 00:47:03,599 yourself a scientist then i'm one too 1172 00:47:07,829 --> 00:47:06,240 it's crazy folks this man was never a 1173 00:47:09,750 --> 00:47:07,839 senior level physicist he was never a 1174 00:47:12,150 --> 00:47:09,760 physicist he was never a scientist at 1175 00:47:14,550 --> 00:47:12,160 los alamos national lab he was a low 1176 00:47:16,710 --> 00:47:14,560 level technician he worked on radiation 1177 00:47:18,790 --> 00:47:16,720 health monitoring equipment that's what 1178 00:47:21,750 --> 00:47:18,800 he did at los alamos national labs so 1179 00:47:23,510 --> 00:47:21,760 when people like to throw los alamos out 1180 00:47:25,109 --> 00:47:23,520 and say well he worked at los alamos so 1181 00:47:27,510 --> 00:47:25,119 it stands to reason that he could get a 1182 00:47:28,950 --> 00:47:27,520 job at area 51. no folks 1183 00:47:32,230 --> 00:47:28,960 we have a real 1184 00:47:34,950 --> 00:47:32,240 doctor a real astrophysicist 1185 00:47:36,549 --> 00:47:34,960 his integrity is not in question 1186 00:47:39,750 --> 00:47:36,559 this doctor 1187 00:47:41,990 --> 00:47:39,760 eric w davis you can you can 1188 00:47:43,670 --> 00:47:42,000 check out his education you can call 1189 00:47:46,150 --> 00:47:43,680 every place that he said he got a degree 1190 00:47:48,309 --> 00:47:46,160 from and yes he did really get a degree 1191 00:47:50,710 --> 00:47:48,319 you can check his work history find out 1192 00:47:53,190 --> 00:47:50,720 about all the places that he worked 1193 00:47:55,030 --> 00:47:53,200 and tell that he's a man that has the 1194 00:47:56,470 --> 00:47:55,040 direct knowledge and experience to 1195 00:47:59,270 --> 00:47:56,480 comment 1196 00:48:01,430 --> 00:47:59,280 very intelligently on bob lazar he knew 1197 00:48:02,470 --> 00:48:01,440 people that worked there at the time 1198 00:48:05,109 --> 00:48:02,480 folks 1199 00:48:07,349 --> 00:48:05,119 and he refutes babazor's claims of ever 1200 00:48:10,390 --> 00:48:07,359 having been a real scientist at los 1201 00:48:11,910 --> 00:48:10,400 alamos or area 51 or anywhere 1202 00:48:14,069 --> 00:48:11,920 you know one of those people that still 1203 00:48:16,390 --> 00:48:14,079 cling to believe i would ask you 1204 00:48:18,710 --> 00:48:16,400 who are you going to believe a guy 1205 00:48:20,870 --> 00:48:18,720 who really did have top secret clearance 1206 00:48:23,510 --> 00:48:20,880 a guy who really did work on government 1207 00:48:25,510 --> 00:48:23,520 black projects a guy who 1208 00:48:27,430 --> 00:48:25,520 has a real education 1209 00:48:29,109 --> 00:48:27,440 a real master's degree that you can call 1210 00:48:30,790 --> 00:48:29,119 and verify he's telling the truth about 1211 00:48:32,390 --> 00:48:30,800 his education are you going to believe 1212 00:48:33,349 --> 00:48:32,400 that guy or you're going to believe bob 1213 00:48:37,750 --> 00:48:33,359 lazar 1214 00:48:39,670 --> 00:48:37,760 have turned out to be lies his education 1215 00:48:43,750 --> 00:48:39,680 is alive folks him claiming to be a 1216 00:48:45,829 --> 00:48:43,760 scientist at los alamos is a lie folks 1217 00:48:46,790 --> 00:48:45,839 which of these two men are you going to 1218 00:48:49,190 --> 00:48:46,800 believe 1219 00:48:51,430 --> 00:48:49,200 you know if you take dr eric davis's 1220 00:48:53,670 --> 00:48:51,440 testimony into account along with the 1221 00:48:55,670 --> 00:48:53,680 other sources that i found i know who i 1222 00:48:59,270 --> 00:48:55,680 believe and it's not 1223 00:49:03,829 --> 00:49:01,109 now let's move on to another claim that 1224 00:49:05,670 --> 00:49:03,839 mr lazar and his supporters have made 1225 00:49:08,390 --> 00:49:05,680 for quite some time and it's always 1226 00:49:10,870 --> 00:49:08,400 driven me crazy and that is 1227 00:49:13,270 --> 00:49:10,880 that bob lazar has to be a scientist 1228 00:49:14,950 --> 00:49:13,280 because he had a particle accelerator in 1229 00:49:18,390 --> 00:49:14,960 his bedroom 1230 00:49:20,870 --> 00:49:18,400 or babazar himself has made the claim 1231 00:49:22,069 --> 00:49:20,880 that he had a particle accelerator to 1232 00:49:25,910 --> 00:49:22,079 make 1233 00:49:27,670 --> 00:49:25,920 lithium hydride that he used in 1234 00:49:31,589 --> 00:49:27,680 his hydrogen 1235 00:49:33,190 --> 00:49:31,599 powered car projects bob lazar has uh 1236 00:49:36,230 --> 00:49:33,200 some videos you can 1237 00:49:37,990 --> 00:49:36,240 search for hydrogen powered car bob 1238 00:49:40,790 --> 00:49:38,000 lazar on youtube and see this video of 1239 00:49:41,910 --> 00:49:40,800 somebody interviewing him where he says 1240 00:49:45,190 --> 00:49:41,920 oh yeah 1241 00:49:47,630 --> 00:49:45,200 you know you can't make hydrogen-powered 1242 00:49:50,150 --> 00:49:47,640 cars easily because you need 1243 00:49:51,750 --> 00:49:50,160 lithium-hydride in order to store the 1244 00:49:53,270 --> 00:49:51,760 hydrogen in a fuel cell and the 1245 00:49:55,750 --> 00:49:53,280 government's made that illegal but it's 1246 00:49:58,230 --> 00:49:55,760 okay i got around that because if you 1247 00:50:01,190 --> 00:49:58,240 just have a particle accelerator you can 1248 00:50:02,710 --> 00:50:01,200 make all the lithium hydride that you 1249 00:50:04,069 --> 00:50:02,720 want 1250 00:50:05,510 --> 00:50:04,079 and i got to tell you 1251 00:50:08,309 --> 00:50:05,520 uh there's 1252 00:50:10,470 --> 00:50:08,319 a person named jeremy rice 1253 00:50:12,710 --> 00:50:10,480 better known as alien scientist that has 1254 00:50:14,790 --> 00:50:12,720 done much better work than anybody i 1255 00:50:16,150 --> 00:50:14,800 have seen on debunking bob lazar you 1256 00:50:17,910 --> 00:50:16,160 should check him out 1257 00:50:20,150 --> 00:50:17,920 uh by the way that's another person that 1258 00:50:22,150 --> 00:50:20,160 this filmmaker blocked for you know 1259 00:50:24,309 --> 00:50:22,160 presenting evidence and things we can't 1260 00:50:25,430 --> 00:50:24,319 have that it might screw up us selling 1261 00:50:27,589 --> 00:50:25,440 this story 1262 00:50:28,790 --> 00:50:27,599 jeremy rise also known as alien 1263 00:50:33,349 --> 00:50:28,800 scientist 1264 00:50:34,150 --> 00:50:33,359 he 1265 00:50:36,710 --> 00:50:34,160 is 1266 00:50:39,109 --> 00:50:36,720 has actually got a real physics degree 1267 00:50:41,990 --> 00:50:39,119 so he's been one of those people that 1268 00:50:44,150 --> 00:50:42,000 have been debunking bob lazar especially 1269 00:50:46,470 --> 00:50:44,160 in relation to all of his strange 1270 00:50:48,790 --> 00:50:46,480 scientific claims that never 1271 00:50:51,190 --> 00:50:48,800 really can be verified 1272 00:50:53,910 --> 00:50:51,200 so according to alien scientists you do 1273 00:50:55,990 --> 00:50:53,920 not need a particle accelerator to make 1274 00:50:56,870 --> 00:50:56,000 lithium hydride 1275 00:50:59,829 --> 00:50:56,880 and 1276 00:51:01,990 --> 00:50:59,839 worse than that if you did try to make 1277 00:51:05,589 --> 00:51:02,000 that material with 1278 00:51:08,230 --> 00:51:05,599 with an actual particle accelerator 1279 00:51:10,630 --> 00:51:08,240 and this is direct from alien scientist 1280 00:51:12,549 --> 00:51:10,640 who has a real degree in physics that 1281 00:51:14,630 --> 00:51:12,559 anybody can verify 1282 00:51:17,589 --> 00:51:14,640 if you try to make a gram of lithium 1283 00:51:20,309 --> 00:51:17,599 hydride in a particle accelerator it 1284 00:51:23,109 --> 00:51:20,319 would take over a thousand years you do 1285 00:51:25,670 --> 00:51:23,119 not need a particle accelerator to make 1286 00:51:28,309 --> 00:51:25,680 lithium hydride 1287 00:51:30,549 --> 00:51:28,319 and i gotta say folks this is 1288 00:51:32,630 --> 00:51:30,559 some of the mistakes that somebody who's 1289 00:51:35,109 --> 00:51:32,640 not a real scientist would make saying 1290 00:51:37,109 --> 00:51:35,119 this stuff claiming this stuff when 1291 00:51:38,950 --> 00:51:37,119 somebody that has a real degree in 1292 00:51:41,750 --> 00:51:38,960 physics can easily 1293 00:51:43,030 --> 00:51:41,760 say that's that's complete and total 1294 00:51:45,910 --> 00:51:43,040 [\h__\h] 1295 00:51:47,990 --> 00:51:45,920 because folks he has a real education in 1296 00:51:49,750 --> 00:51:48,000 these things he knows about actual 1297 00:51:51,430 --> 00:51:49,760 particle accelerators and elements and 1298 00:51:53,910 --> 00:51:51,440 what it takes to make them in a real 1299 00:51:56,950 --> 00:51:53,920 particle accelerator and bob lazar never 1300 00:51:59,190 --> 00:51:56,960 got that actual education so when he's 1301 00:52:00,790 --> 00:51:59,200 interviewed he makes these fantastic 1302 00:52:03,510 --> 00:52:00,800 claims sometimes 1303 00:52:05,670 --> 00:52:03,520 and he makes these amateur hour mistakes 1304 00:52:07,430 --> 00:52:05,680 that a real scientist would never make 1305 00:52:09,589 --> 00:52:07,440 no folks you don't need a particle 1306 00:52:12,309 --> 00:52:09,599 accelerator to make this material that 1307 00:52:13,910 --> 00:52:12,319 he's talking about with his hydrogen car 1308 00:52:16,309 --> 00:52:13,920 it would take a thousand years for you 1309 00:52:18,630 --> 00:52:16,319 to make a gram of it even if you did 1310 00:52:19,750 --> 00:52:18,640 have a particle accelerator and many 1311 00:52:21,910 --> 00:52:19,760 people 1312 00:52:23,829 --> 00:52:21,920 refute that he's ever had a real 1313 00:52:26,390 --> 00:52:23,839 particle accelerator 1314 00:52:27,829 --> 00:52:26,400 first source that i have on that 1315 00:52:29,990 --> 00:52:27,839 is 1316 00:52:32,230 --> 00:52:30,000 again we're going to go back to dr eric 1317 00:52:34,630 --> 00:52:32,240 davis as 1318 00:52:36,230 --> 00:52:34,640 what most people would say is an expert 1319 00:52:38,069 --> 00:52:36,240 witness 1320 00:52:40,390 --> 00:52:38,079 and what he said is 1321 00:52:42,549 --> 00:52:40,400 nobody can put a particle accelerator in 1322 00:52:45,750 --> 00:52:42,559 their home unless their house or entire 1323 00:52:47,190 --> 00:52:45,760 property is dozens of square miles in 1324 00:52:49,030 --> 00:52:47,200 size 1325 00:52:53,270 --> 00:52:49,040 that's our first source our second 1326 00:52:55,670 --> 00:52:53,280 source and i have this in an email from 1327 00:52:58,829 --> 00:52:55,680 stanton friedman we were talking about 1328 00:53:00,870 --> 00:52:58,839 this issue i asked stan 1329 00:53:03,430 --> 00:53:00,880 friedman uh 1330 00:53:06,230 --> 00:53:03,440 some time ago in email 1331 00:53:08,470 --> 00:53:06,240 could you know because george knapp and 1332 00:53:10,150 --> 00:53:08,480 several other people have said bob lazar 1333 00:53:11,670 --> 00:53:10,160 has to be a scientist i mean the guy's 1334 00:53:13,190 --> 00:53:11,680 got a particle accelerator in his 1335 00:53:16,150 --> 00:53:13,200 bedroom could you have a particle 1336 00:53:16,950 --> 00:53:16,160 accelerator in your bedroom and here is 1337 00:53:19,349 --> 00:53:16,960 what 1338 00:53:20,630 --> 00:53:19,359 stanton friedman said 1339 00:53:23,670 --> 00:53:20,640 and i quote 1340 00:53:26,390 --> 00:53:23,680 you could have some very very tiny small 1341 00:53:28,710 --> 00:53:26,400 scale thing like a particle accelerator 1342 00:53:31,190 --> 00:53:28,720 but it would simply be a technology 1343 00:53:33,589 --> 00:53:31,200 demonstrator it could not do any useful 1344 00:53:35,670 --> 00:53:33,599 work in order to have a real particle 1345 00:53:37,030 --> 00:53:35,680 accelerator you would need a facility 1346 00:53:39,670 --> 00:53:37,040 that is 1347 00:53:44,069 --> 00:53:39,680 many square miles in 1348 00:53:47,030 --> 00:53:44,079 radius in order to do any useful work 1349 00:53:50,470 --> 00:53:47,040 with a real particle accelerator 1350 00:53:53,349 --> 00:53:50,480 bob lazar could not have a real particle 1351 00:53:55,829 --> 00:53:53,359 accelerator in his home or his bedroom 1352 00:53:57,750 --> 00:53:55,839 that would be capable of creating 1353 00:53:59,349 --> 00:53:57,760 anything 1354 00:54:01,670 --> 00:53:59,359 end quote 1355 00:54:04,870 --> 00:54:01,680 that's our second source folks 1356 00:54:06,470 --> 00:54:04,880 so all these people that keep on saying 1357 00:54:08,950 --> 00:54:06,480 including bob lazar that he has a 1358 00:54:10,710 --> 00:54:08,960 particle accelerator no folks that's a 1359 00:54:12,390 --> 00:54:10,720 fabrication he doesn't have a particle 1360 00:54:14,710 --> 00:54:12,400 accelerator at least not one that can 1361 00:54:17,990 --> 00:54:14,720 produce anything 1362 00:54:19,270 --> 00:54:18,000 useful he cannot just create elements in 1363 00:54:22,390 --> 00:54:19,280 his bedroom 1364 00:54:25,829 --> 00:54:22,400 he cannot create lithium hydride in the 1365 00:54:27,109 --> 00:54:25,839 quantities required to create lithium 1366 00:54:30,870 --> 00:54:27,119 hydride 1367 00:54:33,030 --> 00:54:30,880 power cells to power a vehicle he can't 1368 00:54:35,190 --> 00:54:33,040 do that with a homemade particle 1369 00:54:37,190 --> 00:54:35,200 accelerator in his bedroom 1370 00:54:38,950 --> 00:54:37,200 and for someone like george knapp or 1371 00:54:40,150 --> 00:54:38,960 anyone else is going to say he must be a 1372 00:54:42,150 --> 00:54:40,160 scientist he's got a particle 1373 00:54:44,309 --> 00:54:42,160 accelerator no no he doesn't have a real 1374 00:54:45,990 --> 00:54:44,319 particle accelerator he has a fantasy 1375 00:54:47,589 --> 00:54:46,000 made up particle accelerator he likes to 1376 00:54:49,829 --> 00:54:47,599 tell people as a particle accelerator 1377 00:54:52,549 --> 00:54:49,839 that's what i believe now that my 1378 00:54:55,109 --> 00:54:52,559 friends is my speculation 1379 00:54:57,589 --> 00:54:55,119 from everything you see about lazar 1380 00:55:00,230 --> 00:54:57,599 whether he's talking to a reporter about 1381 00:55:03,910 --> 00:55:00,240 his jet powered bicycle or his 1382 00:55:06,230 --> 00:55:03,920 jet-powered car he always embellishes to 1383 00:55:08,390 --> 00:55:06,240 an extreme degree like he'll give you 1384 00:55:09,750 --> 00:55:08,400 some little bit of science fact and then 1385 00:55:15,910 --> 00:55:09,760 embellish 1386 00:55:17,990 --> 00:55:15,920 has a particle accelerator in his home 1387 00:55:18,950 --> 00:55:18,000 or his bedroom no folks i believe that's 1388 00:55:21,349 --> 00:55:18,960 a lie 1389 00:55:24,710 --> 00:55:21,359 and we have three sources who say that 1390 00:55:27,589 --> 00:55:24,720 that claim is most likely a fabrication 1391 00:55:29,589 --> 00:55:27,599 all three of these men have real degrees 1392 00:55:32,390 --> 00:55:29,599 that you can verify all three of these 1393 00:55:35,190 --> 00:55:32,400 men are real scientists we have an 1394 00:55:37,430 --> 00:55:35,200 astrophysicist we have stan friedman 1395 00:55:40,630 --> 00:55:37,440 with degrees in nuclear physics who's 1396 00:55:42,549 --> 00:55:40,640 worked on real top secret projects 1397 00:55:44,789 --> 00:55:42,559 dr eric davis has worked on real top 1398 00:55:47,349 --> 00:55:44,799 secret projects we have jeremy rise who 1399 00:55:48,630 --> 00:55:47,359 has a real physics degree who has been 1400 00:55:51,430 --> 00:55:48,640 debunking 1401 00:55:53,670 --> 00:55:51,440 bob lazar's fake science claims for 1402 00:55:56,069 --> 00:55:53,680 years and years we have three sources 1403 00:55:57,990 --> 00:55:56,079 that say that these claims of him having 1404 00:56:00,710 --> 00:55:58,000 a particle accelerator 1405 00:56:03,270 --> 00:56:00,720 are it's a fabrication folks so who are 1406 00:56:05,349 --> 00:56:03,280 we going to believe these three sources 1407 00:56:07,430 --> 00:56:05,359 that all have real educations or are we 1408 00:56:09,829 --> 00:56:07,440 going to believe a fake scientist that 1409 00:56:11,430 --> 00:56:09,839 can't even provide his degree or his 1410 00:56:14,390 --> 00:56:11,440 thesis but he's going to say he went to 1411 00:56:16,710 --> 00:56:14,400 mit i know who i believe about the 1412 00:56:18,470 --> 00:56:16,720 particle accelerator claims 1413 00:56:19,589 --> 00:56:18,480 let's move on folks 1414 00:56:22,150 --> 00:56:19,599 now 1415 00:56:24,870 --> 00:56:22,160 the basis of bob azar's claims have 1416 00:56:27,270 --> 00:56:24,880 always been that he worked on top secret 1417 00:56:30,870 --> 00:56:27,280 classified government projects and he's 1418 00:56:32,549 --> 00:56:30,880 a whistleblower and he came out and told 1419 00:56:34,870 --> 00:56:32,559 the public the truth because he's a 1420 00:56:37,349 --> 00:56:34,880 whistleblower about these top secret 1421 00:56:40,789 --> 00:56:37,359 classified projects that he 1422 00:56:43,670 --> 00:56:40,799 got read into and he worked on 1423 00:56:44,390 --> 00:56:43,680 and i've always had a big problem 1424 00:56:47,430 --> 00:56:44,400 with 1425 00:56:48,950 --> 00:56:47,440 the claims that he is a whistleblower 1426 00:56:50,789 --> 00:56:48,960 because folks 1427 00:56:53,109 --> 00:56:50,799 there are real 1428 00:56:55,750 --> 00:56:53,119 whistleblowers that know about top 1429 00:56:56,870 --> 00:56:55,760 secret government projects and blow the 1430 00:56:59,430 --> 00:56:56,880 whistle 1431 00:57:01,589 --> 00:56:59,440 edward snowden comes to mind 1432 00:57:02,470 --> 00:57:01,599 and a few others 1433 00:57:05,510 --> 00:57:02,480 and 1434 00:57:08,710 --> 00:57:05,520 for those real whistleblowers there are 1435 00:57:11,270 --> 00:57:08,720 tremendous consequences for sharing 1436 00:57:14,150 --> 00:57:11,280 classified information 1437 00:57:16,150 --> 00:57:14,160 you can be criminally prosecuted edward 1438 00:57:18,390 --> 00:57:16,160 snowden has been 1439 00:57:21,670 --> 00:57:18,400 a fugitive 1440 00:57:23,990 --> 00:57:21,680 there were real consequences he deserves 1441 00:57:25,190 --> 00:57:24,000 the title whistleblower 1442 00:57:26,789 --> 00:57:25,200 because 1443 00:57:29,109 --> 00:57:26,799 he's a real 1444 00:57:31,430 --> 00:57:29,119 individual that had top secret 1445 00:57:33,670 --> 00:57:31,440 classified information that he shared 1446 00:57:36,470 --> 00:57:33,680 with the media and there were certainly 1447 00:57:39,910 --> 00:57:36,480 consequences for him 1448 00:57:42,150 --> 00:57:39,920 bob azar has claimed that he worked on 1449 00:57:44,150 --> 00:57:42,160 top secret classified projects and he 1450 00:57:46,789 --> 00:57:44,160 shared that information 1451 00:57:49,430 --> 00:57:46,799 i want to ask you 1452 00:57:51,030 --> 00:57:49,440 has bob lazar ever been prosecuted 1453 00:57:53,670 --> 00:57:51,040 for leaking 1454 00:57:56,309 --> 00:57:53,680 these so-called top secret classified 1455 00:57:58,870 --> 00:57:56,319 projects or information no folks he's 1456 00:58:01,109 --> 00:57:58,880 never been prosecuted and it's important 1457 00:58:03,990 --> 00:58:01,119 for us to realize that there are laws in 1458 00:58:05,990 --> 00:58:04,000 this country that would apply to him if 1459 00:58:08,230 --> 00:58:06,000 he was really 1460 00:58:10,390 --> 00:58:08,240 leaking classified information the 1461 00:58:11,910 --> 00:58:10,400 government would go after him folks 1462 00:58:15,109 --> 00:58:11,920 and i don't mean 1463 00:58:18,069 --> 00:58:15,119 go after him in the fictional way that 1464 00:58:18,870 --> 00:58:18,079 he has continued to portray himself 1465 00:58:20,950 --> 00:58:18,880 you know 1466 00:58:23,109 --> 00:58:20,960 he's told all these stories that people 1467 00:58:25,190 --> 00:58:23,119 were watching him and tapping his phone 1468 00:58:27,270 --> 00:58:25,200 and somebody shot at him 1469 00:58:29,589 --> 00:58:27,280 that's another point i'd like to make i 1470 00:58:32,309 --> 00:58:29,599 don't know if you've ever been shot at 1471 00:58:34,630 --> 00:58:32,319 but if you're shot at generally you will 1472 00:58:37,030 --> 00:58:34,640 make a police report you will report 1473 00:58:38,950 --> 00:58:37,040 that somebody was shooting a gun at you 1474 00:58:41,030 --> 00:58:38,960 or in your general direction 1475 00:58:43,589 --> 00:58:41,040 for years and years bob lazar has 1476 00:58:45,670 --> 00:58:43,599 claimed that he was driving in his car 1477 00:58:48,470 --> 00:58:45,680 and someone shot at him there's no 1478 00:58:50,549 --> 00:58:48,480 police report of it george knapp has 1479 00:58:51,829 --> 00:58:50,559 never come up with a police report of it 1480 00:58:53,750 --> 00:58:51,839 and i believe a lot of things about 1481 00:58:54,789 --> 00:58:53,760 george nat but he's nothing if not 1482 00:58:56,470 --> 00:58:54,799 thorough 1483 00:58:58,870 --> 00:58:56,480 i tried to check for a police report 1484 00:59:00,789 --> 00:58:58,880 came up empty i'm pretty sure folks 1485 00:59:02,829 --> 00:59:00,799 there is no police report of somebody 1486 00:59:05,829 --> 00:59:02,839 shooting at bob 1487 00:59:07,589 --> 00:59:05,839 lazar but more importantly folks the 1488 00:59:09,109 --> 00:59:07,599 point i'm trying to make is that if he 1489 00:59:10,950 --> 00:59:09,119 was really leaking 1490 00:59:12,710 --> 00:59:10,960 real top secret or classified 1491 00:59:15,349 --> 00:59:12,720 information there would definitely be 1492 00:59:19,510 --> 00:59:15,359 some legal consequences for him 1493 00:59:24,069 --> 00:59:19,520 in fact there is a law 18 u.s 1494 00:59:25,910 --> 00:59:24,079 code 798 which says that if you leak top 1495 00:59:29,349 --> 00:59:25,920 secret or classified government 1496 00:59:32,390 --> 00:59:29,359 information you are facing a felony and 1497 00:59:35,990 --> 00:59:32,400 10 years per count 1498 00:59:38,309 --> 00:59:36,000 for leaking that top secret material 1499 00:59:39,349 --> 00:59:38,319 and i have to say that 1500 00:59:41,670 --> 00:59:39,359 you know 1501 00:59:45,349 --> 00:59:41,680 with regard to the justice system 1502 00:59:46,390 --> 00:59:45,359 they are obliged to prosecute people for 1503 00:59:49,589 --> 00:59:46,400 doing this 1504 00:59:52,390 --> 00:59:49,599 no one has ever prosecuted bob lazar for 1505 00:59:55,109 --> 00:59:52,400 leaking any classified or top secret 1506 01:00:00,150 --> 00:59:58,069 so what's the story and 1507 01:00:01,109 --> 01:00:00,160 one further point i'd like to make is 1508 01:00:04,390 --> 01:00:01,119 that 1509 01:00:07,109 --> 01:00:04,400 if bob lazar was actually leaking top 1510 01:00:08,710 --> 01:00:07,119 secret classified information 1511 01:00:11,670 --> 01:00:08,720 it's not just him that would be 1512 01:00:15,670 --> 01:00:11,680 criminally prosecuted i suppose if you 1513 01:00:17,990 --> 01:00:15,680 look into 18 us code 793 which says if 1514 01:00:19,190 --> 01:00:18,000 you are in receipt of classified 1515 01:00:21,270 --> 01:00:19,200 material 1516 01:00:23,430 --> 01:00:21,280 and do not report it to the government 1517 01:00:25,510 --> 01:00:23,440 you too will go to jail 1518 01:00:27,349 --> 01:00:25,520 so i guess you know the first person 1519 01:00:29,109 --> 01:00:27,359 that bob lazar leaked all this 1520 01:00:31,829 --> 01:00:29,119 information he claims is classified and 1521 01:00:34,150 --> 01:00:31,839 top secret to would be george knapp 1522 01:00:35,910 --> 01:00:34,160 and i'm not sure what george knapp is up 1523 01:00:37,910 --> 01:00:35,920 to these days but i'm pretty sure that 1524 01:00:39,589 --> 01:00:37,920 he's not sitting in a federal prison for 1525 01:00:40,789 --> 01:00:39,599 having been in receipt of this 1526 01:00:43,190 --> 01:00:40,799 information 1527 01:00:46,789 --> 01:00:43,200 he's never been prosecuted for receiving 1528 01:00:48,950 --> 01:00:46,799 top secret or classified information 1529 01:00:51,109 --> 01:00:48,960 at all neither of these two have ever 1530 01:00:52,710 --> 01:00:51,119 been prosecuted even threatened with any 1531 01:00:54,950 --> 01:00:52,720 kind of prosecution 1532 01:00:56,870 --> 01:00:54,960 so what's the story 1533 01:00:58,230 --> 01:00:56,880 is bob lazar really leaking top secret 1534 01:01:00,150 --> 01:00:58,240 classified information the government's 1535 01:01:02,870 --> 01:01:00,160 just letting him they don't just let 1536 01:01:04,710 --> 01:01:02,880 people do that folks they prosecute you 1537 01:01:07,349 --> 01:01:04,720 like edward snowden 1538 01:01:10,150 --> 01:01:07,359 if you leak top secret information they 1539 01:01:11,670 --> 01:01:10,160 prosecute you if someone sends you top 1540 01:01:13,589 --> 01:01:11,680 secret information and you know that 1541 01:01:14,309 --> 01:01:13,599 it's top secret and classified and you 1542 01:01:16,470 --> 01:01:14,319 just 1543 01:01:19,109 --> 01:01:16,480 don't report it to the government you 1544 01:01:22,069 --> 01:01:19,119 too will be prosecuted george knapp 1545 01:01:23,829 --> 01:01:22,079 was never prosecuted 1546 01:01:26,069 --> 01:01:23,839 no one that bob lazar gave this 1547 01:01:27,670 --> 01:01:26,079 information to has ever ever been 1548 01:01:29,270 --> 01:01:27,680 prosecuted folks he's never been 1549 01:01:31,829 --> 01:01:29,280 prosecuted 1550 01:01:34,549 --> 01:01:31,839 kind of makes you go hmm doesn't it 1551 01:01:37,109 --> 01:01:34,559 is he really leaking top secret 1552 01:01:39,829 --> 01:01:37,119 real top secret information or is this 1553 01:01:42,069 --> 01:01:39,839 just a whole story just a fabrication 1554 01:01:44,870 --> 01:01:42,079 and that my friends may be why he was 1555 01:01:46,549 --> 01:01:44,880 never prosecuted as a so-called whistle 1556 01:01:49,190 --> 01:01:46,559 blower 1557 01:01:51,190 --> 01:01:49,200 and i gotta say i have problems also 1558 01:01:53,349 --> 01:01:51,200 with a lot of bob lazar's claims of 1559 01:01:55,109 --> 01:01:53,359 having worked on top secret classified 1560 01:01:57,029 --> 01:01:55,119 projects because the so-called proof 1561 01:01:59,510 --> 01:01:57,039 that he gave some of the proof that he 1562 01:02:03,430 --> 01:01:59,520 gave at the time that he was telling his 1563 01:02:06,309 --> 01:02:03,440 story was a fake security badge or let's 1564 01:02:09,109 --> 01:02:06,319 say allegedly fake security badge for 1565 01:02:12,309 --> 01:02:09,119 area 51 s4 1566 01:02:14,710 --> 01:02:12,319 which i have real problems with because 1567 01:02:17,670 --> 01:02:14,720 on that badge and also on the w-2 that 1568 01:02:19,750 --> 01:02:17,680 he supplied it says u.s department of 1569 01:02:23,510 --> 01:02:19,760 naval intelligence 1570 01:02:27,910 --> 01:02:23,520 and listen in the 1980s the department 1571 01:02:33,750 --> 01:02:30,630 see in 1947 the department of naval 1572 01:02:36,230 --> 01:02:33,760 intelligence became oni or the office of 1573 01:02:37,829 --> 01:02:36,240 naval intelligence that happened in 1947 1574 01:02:41,029 --> 01:02:37,839 folks long before 1575 01:02:41,829 --> 01:02:41,039 bob lazar started telling his story 1576 01:02:44,789 --> 01:02:41,839 and 1577 01:02:48,069 --> 01:02:44,799 there is no way a badge 1578 01:02:49,910 --> 01:02:48,079 for area 51 or a w-2 would use that 1579 01:02:51,750 --> 01:02:49,920 wrong terminology 1580 01:02:54,470 --> 01:02:51,760 and i have to say that 1581 01:02:56,470 --> 01:02:54,480 this little point is something that bob 1582 01:02:59,750 --> 01:02:56,480 lazar gets pissed at you know he says 1583 01:03:02,309 --> 01:02:59,760 people get lost in debating the minutia 1584 01:03:05,029 --> 01:03:02,319 and that's not important i'm afraid it 1585 01:03:06,150 --> 01:03:05,039 is important it's a very little thing 1586 01:03:08,950 --> 01:03:06,160 because 1587 01:03:12,069 --> 01:03:08,960 there is no way that a badge or a w-2 1588 01:03:13,510 --> 01:03:12,079 would use that wrong terminology 1589 01:03:15,029 --> 01:03:13,520 that is unless 1590 01:03:17,109 --> 01:03:15,039 those two 1591 01:03:19,670 --> 01:03:17,119 so-called pieces of evidence were frauds 1592 01:03:21,589 --> 01:03:19,680 and the person creating them used u.s 1593 01:03:23,829 --> 01:03:21,599 department of naval intelligence in 1594 01:03:25,270 --> 01:03:23,839 error instead of the office of naval 1595 01:03:27,430 --> 01:03:25,280 intelligence 1596 01:03:29,589 --> 01:03:27,440 you see this was before photoshop 1597 01:03:31,029 --> 01:03:29,599 but bob having owned a photography 1598 01:03:32,710 --> 01:03:31,039 business back then 1599 01:03:35,670 --> 01:03:32,720 he had the skills 1600 01:03:36,870 --> 01:03:35,680 the tools and the ability to manufacture 1601 01:03:39,029 --> 01:03:36,880 these fakes 1602 01:03:43,029 --> 01:03:39,039 he provided them 1603 01:03:44,710 --> 01:03:43,039 i took the w-2 to a forensic document 1604 01:03:49,589 --> 01:03:44,720 examiner 1605 01:03:51,990 --> 01:03:49,599 testified in many legal cases 1606 01:03:54,390 --> 01:03:52,000 and would be considered an expert in a 1607 01:03:56,630 --> 01:03:54,400 court of law and has been he looked at 1608 01:03:59,270 --> 01:03:56,640 this w-2 and told me that in his 1609 01:04:00,870 --> 01:03:59,280 professional opinion that w-2 was a 1610 01:04:02,700 --> 01:04:00,880 fraud 1611 01:04:05,029 --> 01:04:02,710 for two reasons first 1612 01:04:07,270 --> 01:04:05,039 [Music] 1613 01:04:09,990 --> 01:04:07,280 again there was no department of naval 1614 01:04:13,349 --> 01:04:10,000 intelligence in the 80s that was gone as 1615 01:04:15,349 --> 01:04:13,359 of 1947 it was oni or the office of 1616 01:04:17,109 --> 01:04:15,359 naval intelligence 1617 01:04:19,990 --> 01:04:17,119 but the other thing that this forensic 1618 01:04:22,470 --> 01:04:20,000 document examiner told me is that if you 1619 01:04:24,309 --> 01:04:22,480 worked for the united states navy and 1620 01:04:27,510 --> 01:04:24,319 got a w-2 1621 01:04:30,630 --> 01:04:27,520 your w-2 would not say 1622 01:04:32,470 --> 01:04:30,640 uh in very specifics that you worked for 1623 01:04:33,510 --> 01:04:32,480 naval intelligence 1624 01:04:34,870 --> 01:04:33,520 whether 1625 01:04:36,789 --> 01:04:34,880 you want to call it department of naval 1626 01:04:38,710 --> 01:04:36,799 intelligence or to use the correct term 1627 01:04:40,710 --> 01:04:38,720 the office of naval intelligence your 1628 01:04:43,270 --> 01:04:40,720 w-2 would not say that you worked for 1629 01:04:44,069 --> 01:04:43,280 naval intelligence your w-2 would simply 1630 01:04:46,150 --> 01:04:44,079 say 1631 01:04:48,710 --> 01:04:46,160 u.s navy 1632 01:04:51,750 --> 01:04:48,720 that's what it would say on employer at 1633 01:04:53,029 --> 01:04:51,760 that time in 1988 1634 01:04:56,870 --> 01:04:53,039 89 1635 01:04:58,390 --> 01:04:56,880 when bob lazar came out with his story 1636 01:05:01,910 --> 01:04:58,400 so there's another 1637 01:05:04,069 --> 01:05:01,920 blaring mistake made by bob lazar who 1638 01:05:06,789 --> 01:05:04,079 supplied these w-2s 1639 01:05:08,390 --> 01:05:06,799 and said that they were genuine 1640 01:05:10,950 --> 01:05:08,400 another problem that people have pointed 1641 01:05:13,829 --> 01:05:10,960 out with the w-2 is look how much this 1642 01:05:17,029 --> 01:05:13,839 man who claims to have been a senior 1643 01:05:19,029 --> 01:05:17,039 staff physicist was making 1644 01:05:20,710 --> 01:05:19,039 look at the amount of money on the w-2 1645 01:05:22,789 --> 01:05:20,720 folks it's pitiful 1646 01:05:25,029 --> 01:05:22,799 a senior staff level physicist even at 1647 01:05:27,910 --> 01:05:25,039 that time would make a great deal more 1648 01:05:31,109 --> 01:05:27,920 money even for a single day's pay than 1649 01:05:33,750 --> 01:05:31,119 is listed on this man's fake w-2 1650 01:05:37,349 --> 01:05:33,760 so i say the w-2 is fake 1651 01:05:38,789 --> 01:05:37,359 i also showed the badge to 1652 01:05:40,870 --> 01:05:38,799 someone who 1653 01:05:43,029 --> 01:05:40,880 can be verified as a source that have 1654 01:05:45,349 --> 01:05:43,039 actually worked at area 51 who looked at 1655 01:05:47,270 --> 01:05:45,359 the badge and laughed and said that 1656 01:05:49,190 --> 01:05:47,280 security badge is a complete and total 1657 01:05:51,910 --> 01:05:49,200 fabrication 1658 01:05:54,789 --> 01:05:51,920 the security badge would not have been 1659 01:05:57,589 --> 01:05:54,799 issued by anyone other than the people 1660 01:06:00,549 --> 01:05:57,599 who are responsible for security 1661 01:06:01,510 --> 01:06:00,559 in and around area 51 and that is whack 1662 01:06:03,109 --> 01:06:01,520 and hud 1663 01:06:04,710 --> 01:06:03,119 so wouldn't say department of naval 1664 01:06:05,910 --> 01:06:04,720 intelligence audit it would be a 1665 01:06:07,910 --> 01:06:05,920 whack-and-hut 1666 01:06:10,789 --> 01:06:07,920 issued security badge 1667 01:06:11,829 --> 01:06:10,799 so here we have the w-2 the bob lazar 1668 01:06:13,670 --> 01:06:11,839 supplied 1669 01:06:15,430 --> 01:06:13,680 forensic document examiner looks at it 1670 01:06:16,710 --> 01:06:15,440 and says this is a complete and total 1671 01:06:19,190 --> 01:06:16,720 fake 1672 01:06:20,950 --> 01:06:19,200 we take the security badge that bubbles 1673 01:06:22,230 --> 01:06:20,960 our supply to somebody who actually 1674 01:06:23,990 --> 01:06:22,240 worked at 1675 01:06:27,829 --> 01:06:24,000 area 51 1676 01:06:30,069 --> 01:06:27,839 who said this security badge is fake 1677 01:06:31,910 --> 01:06:30,079 now a lot of people might not like my 1678 01:06:32,870 --> 01:06:31,920 second source who said the security 1679 01:06:33,990 --> 01:06:32,880 badge 1680 01:06:36,710 --> 01:06:34,000 is fake 1681 01:06:38,069 --> 01:06:36,720 and that source would be one richard 1682 01:06:39,130 --> 01:06:38,079 dodie 1683 01:06:41,430 --> 01:06:39,140 and richard doty 1684 01:06:43,430 --> 01:06:41,440 [Music] 1685 01:06:45,190 --> 01:06:43,440 this is a quote from him i was the 1686 01:06:48,230 --> 01:06:45,200 counterintelligence officer for the air 1687 01:06:52,549 --> 01:06:48,240 force flight test center area 51 1688 01:06:58,470 --> 01:06:55,190 these security badges are fake and are 1689 01:07:00,950 --> 01:06:58,480 not from the nevada test site or area 51 1690 01:07:02,630 --> 01:07:00,960 i can prove that i work there and here 1691 01:07:05,510 --> 01:07:02,640 are 1692 01:07:07,029 --> 01:07:05,520 scans of my security badges for the time 1693 01:07:09,910 --> 01:07:07,039 that i work there 1694 01:07:11,990 --> 01:07:09,920 and his badges folks look nothing like 1695 01:07:12,950 --> 01:07:12,000 this fake badge that bob lazar came up 1696 01:07:15,510 --> 01:07:12,960 with 1697 01:07:17,910 --> 01:07:15,520 which lends me which means we have two 1698 01:07:19,349 --> 01:07:17,920 sources that both looked at the security 1699 01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:19,359 badge and said it's a complete and total 1700 01:07:22,390 --> 01:07:21,330 fake and a fabrication now 1701 01:07:24,630 --> 01:07:22,400 [Music] 1702 01:07:26,870 --> 01:07:24,640 one of the other points uh that i wanted 1703 01:07:29,190 --> 01:07:26,880 to talk to richard dodie about is that 1704 01:07:31,829 --> 01:07:29,200 bob lazar telling his story about area 1705 01:07:34,470 --> 01:07:31,839 51 and working on these flying saucers 1706 01:07:37,109 --> 01:07:34,480 said that at some point in time 1707 01:07:39,589 --> 01:07:37,119 before i got there the russians 1708 01:07:43,270 --> 01:07:39,599 and the u.s military were cooperating 1709 01:07:45,510 --> 01:07:43,280 working at s4 in area 51 1710 01:07:47,750 --> 01:07:45,520 on these flying saucers and a 1711 01:07:49,910 --> 01:07:47,760 breakthrough was made and the russians 1712 01:07:52,230 --> 01:07:49,920 left or were no longer welcome in the 1713 01:07:54,069 --> 01:07:52,240 project or you know they clamped down on 1714 01:07:56,789 --> 01:07:54,079 security and they no longer wanted the 1715 01:07:58,470 --> 01:07:56,799 russians around this top secret flying 1716 01:08:00,069 --> 01:07:58,480 saucer project 1717 01:08:01,750 --> 01:08:00,079 i thought that was crazy because you 1718 01:08:04,309 --> 01:08:01,760 have to remember 1719 01:08:06,470 --> 01:08:04,319 during this time in the late 80s it was 1720 01:08:08,950 --> 01:08:06,480 the height of the cold war and it just 1721 01:08:10,710 --> 01:08:08,960 seemed strange to me that 1722 01:08:13,910 --> 01:08:10,720 the us government would just let 1723 01:08:15,510 --> 01:08:13,920 russians into their most top secret 1724 01:08:18,390 --> 01:08:15,520 military 1725 01:08:20,149 --> 01:08:18,400 base in the country area 51 they're just 1726 01:08:22,630 --> 01:08:20,159 going to let some russians in 1727 01:08:25,510 --> 01:08:22,640 and share information with the russians 1728 01:08:27,349 --> 01:08:25,520 it seemed like again another amateur 1729 01:08:29,829 --> 01:08:27,359 hour mistake that someone that didn't 1730 01:08:31,349 --> 01:08:29,839 think through their story very well or 1731 01:08:33,510 --> 01:08:31,359 take into account 1732 01:08:35,349 --> 01:08:33,520 the paranoia and the lengths that the 1733 01:08:38,630 --> 01:08:35,359 government went to 1734 01:08:41,510 --> 01:08:38,640 to keep russian spies away from 1735 01:08:43,110 --> 01:08:41,520 us military installations 1736 01:08:45,990 --> 01:08:43,120 somebody that didn't think through their 1737 01:08:47,510 --> 01:08:46,000 story might come up with that 1738 01:08:50,829 --> 01:08:47,520 story 1739 01:08:54,070 --> 01:08:50,839 and not realize how ludicrous it sounds 1740 01:08:55,430 --> 01:08:54,080 so i went to richard doty 1741 01:08:58,309 --> 01:08:55,440 who was 1742 01:09:00,309 --> 01:08:58,319 worked for the air force office of 1743 01:09:02,470 --> 01:09:00,319 special investigation and here's what he 1744 01:09:04,470 --> 01:09:02,480 said i was counterintelligence officer 1745 01:09:06,950 --> 01:09:04,480 for the air force flight test center 1746 01:09:08,470 --> 01:09:06,960 area 51 in the mid 1747 01:09:11,030 --> 01:09:08,480 1980s 1748 01:09:13,510 --> 01:09:11,040 i can assure you no russians were ever 1749 01:09:15,269 --> 01:09:13,520 allowed anywhere near the base it was my 1750 01:09:19,030 --> 01:09:15,279 job to keep them away 1751 01:09:21,030 --> 01:09:19,040 i can i cannot account for what happened 1752 01:09:23,349 --> 01:09:21,040 uh later 1753 01:09:26,229 --> 01:09:23,359 but never during my watch where any 1754 01:09:28,309 --> 01:09:26,239 russians allowed anywhere near area 51 1755 01:09:29,990 --> 01:09:28,319 or the nevada test site 1756 01:09:32,149 --> 01:09:30,000 and again he shows me the badges these 1757 01:09:34,470 --> 01:09:32,159 are the badges for nevada test site and 1758 01:09:36,709 --> 01:09:34,480 area 51 i can prove that i worked there 1759 01:09:37,910 --> 01:09:36,719 unlike some others 1760 01:09:40,229 --> 01:09:37,920 and 1761 01:09:43,189 --> 01:09:40,239 i have to say like i agree with richard 1762 01:09:46,789 --> 01:09:45,590 there's no way that the u.s government 1763 01:09:49,990 --> 01:09:46,799 just let 1764 01:09:51,590 --> 01:09:50,000 russians in to area 51 to work on some 1765 01:09:54,149 --> 01:09:51,600 top secret project 1766 01:09:56,550 --> 01:09:54,159 it's just not plausible folks i believe 1767 01:09:58,310 --> 01:09:56,560 that was another fabrication from bob 1768 01:09:59,990 --> 01:09:58,320 lazar 1769 01:10:02,390 --> 01:10:00,000 and these are things 1770 01:10:04,950 --> 01:10:02,400 that anybody can check i mean you can 1771 01:10:07,990 --> 01:10:04,960 find somebody that worked at area 51 in 1772 01:10:10,709 --> 01:10:08,000 a security capacity and asked them 1773 01:10:14,310 --> 01:10:10,719 would russians be allowed in area 51. i 1774 01:10:17,350 --> 01:10:14,320 found one other source who worked in the 1775 01:10:19,910 --> 01:10:17,360 worked in a security capacity 1776 01:10:21,590 --> 01:10:19,920 in and around area 51 1777 01:10:24,950 --> 01:10:21,600 for wackenhut 1778 01:10:26,709 --> 01:10:24,960 and told me that any claims of any 1779 01:10:29,110 --> 01:10:26,719 russian 1780 01:10:30,950 --> 01:10:29,120 scientists agents 1781 01:10:33,590 --> 01:10:30,960 any russian nationals 1782 01:10:35,350 --> 01:10:33,600 any one that was a soviet national 1783 01:10:36,870 --> 01:10:35,360 remember the soviet union was comprised 1784 01:10:38,870 --> 01:10:36,880 of many different countries it wasn't 1785 01:10:41,110 --> 01:10:38,880 just russia but anybody that was 1786 01:10:42,870 --> 01:10:41,120 connected to the soviet union according 1787 01:10:45,590 --> 01:10:42,880 to this source would not be allowed 1788 01:10:48,950 --> 01:10:45,600 anywhere near area 51 folks so bob 1789 01:10:50,709 --> 01:10:48,960 lazar's claim that the russians and 1790 01:10:52,630 --> 01:10:50,719 the united states people were working 1791 01:10:53,750 --> 01:10:52,640 together on these flying saucers before 1792 01:10:56,070 --> 01:10:53,760 he got there 1793 01:10:58,229 --> 01:10:56,080 is a complete and total fabrication 1794 01:11:00,870 --> 01:10:58,239 folks 1795 01:11:03,350 --> 01:11:00,880 to get to 1796 01:11:05,270 --> 01:11:03,360 is the one that bothers me the most 1797 01:11:06,950 --> 01:11:05,280 and it's been made over and over again 1798 01:11:09,510 --> 01:11:06,960 by bob lazar 1799 01:11:12,950 --> 01:11:09,520 babazar repeated it in this recent 1800 01:11:15,669 --> 01:11:12,960 so-called documentary film and in that 1801 01:11:19,590 --> 01:11:15,679 film he states that he doesn't get any 1802 01:11:21,110 --> 01:11:19,600 money from this he has no reason to lie 1803 01:11:21,910 --> 01:11:21,120 and 1804 01:11:23,990 --> 01:11:21,920 that 1805 01:11:26,149 --> 01:11:24,000 my friends is in and of itself one of 1806 01:11:27,350 --> 01:11:26,159 the biggest lies that bob lazar has ever 1807 01:11:29,669 --> 01:11:27,360 told 1808 01:11:31,830 --> 01:11:29,679 in connection to this story bob lazar 1809 01:11:33,430 --> 01:11:31,840 claims he's never made any money from 1810 01:11:36,070 --> 01:11:33,440 this story 1811 01:11:38,470 --> 01:11:36,080 but i have proof that time and time 1812 01:11:41,669 --> 01:11:38,480 again babazor has made money from his 1813 01:11:44,310 --> 01:11:41,679 story babazar has tried to cash in every 1814 01:11:46,790 --> 01:11:44,320 chance he got it just didn't quite work 1815 01:11:49,590 --> 01:11:46,800 out the way that he wanted 1816 01:11:52,229 --> 01:11:49,600 let me explain 1817 01:11:53,669 --> 01:11:52,239 right after bob lazar came out with his 1818 01:11:56,390 --> 01:11:53,679 story 1819 01:11:58,229 --> 01:11:56,400 i mentioned that i was really interested 1820 01:11:59,830 --> 01:11:58,239 in this story 1821 01:12:03,030 --> 01:11:59,840 there was 1822 01:12:05,590 --> 01:12:03,040 ads in the back of some of my father's 1823 01:12:07,669 --> 01:12:05,600 magazines my father got popular science 1824 01:12:09,510 --> 01:12:07,679 popular mechanics and a bunch of other 1825 01:12:12,390 --> 01:12:09,520 magazines like that 1826 01:12:16,310 --> 01:12:12,400 and in the back of those magazines 1827 01:12:18,550 --> 01:12:16,320 was an ad for the lazar tape and experts 1828 01:12:20,709 --> 01:12:18,560 from the government bible 1829 01:12:22,709 --> 01:12:20,719 and there's a picture of bob lazar's 1830 01:12:24,310 --> 01:12:22,719 claimed flying saucer that he worked on 1831 01:12:27,750 --> 01:12:24,320 the sport model 1832 01:12:29,990 --> 01:12:27,760 and it says this is the information 1833 01:12:32,950 --> 01:12:30,000 and the us government has gone to great 1834 01:12:36,870 --> 01:12:32,960 lengths to keep it from you 1835 01:12:39,110 --> 01:12:36,880 you can change all that for just 29.95 1836 01:12:41,669 --> 01:12:39,120 plus 350 shipping and handling in the 1837 01:12:45,510 --> 01:12:41,679 continental united states make checks 1838 01:12:48,390 --> 01:12:45,520 payable to tridot productions ltd 1839 01:12:49,350 --> 01:12:48,400 las vegas nevada 1840 01:12:51,350 --> 01:12:49,360 so 1841 01:12:52,950 --> 01:12:51,360 it's just funny to me that this guy 1842 01:12:55,030 --> 01:12:52,960 keeps going around saying i've never 1843 01:12:58,070 --> 01:12:55,040 made any money from this 1844 01:13:00,550 --> 01:12:58,080 i remember as well as many other people 1845 01:13:03,189 --> 01:13:00,560 that i've spoken to remember these ads 1846 01:13:05,430 --> 01:13:03,199 being in the back of science magazines 1847 01:13:07,510 --> 01:13:05,440 and technology magazines you know there 1848 01:13:08,630 --> 01:13:07,520 were classified ads and he would put 1849 01:13:12,229 --> 01:13:08,640 this ad 1850 01:13:15,350 --> 01:13:12,239 and this company tri dot productions uh 1851 01:13:17,270 --> 01:13:15,360 was run with him and his good friend who 1852 01:13:19,750 --> 01:13:17,280 has been a huge supporter of his story 1853 01:13:20,790 --> 01:13:19,760 gene huff those two ran that 1854 01:13:24,070 --> 01:13:20,800 company 1855 01:13:26,870 --> 01:13:24,080 and made this vhs tape and yes my 1856 01:13:28,630 --> 01:13:26,880 friends i begged my parents and my 1857 01:13:30,870 --> 01:13:28,640 father can i 1858 01:13:33,110 --> 01:13:30,880 you know cut grass what do i have to do 1859 01:13:34,950 --> 01:13:33,120 to get this 29.95 1860 01:13:37,350 --> 01:13:34,960 i got to see this tape and my father 1861 01:13:38,630 --> 01:13:37,360 help me send away for it we got the tape 1862 01:13:43,750 --> 01:13:38,640 and 1863 01:13:46,709 --> 01:13:43,760 again 1864 01:13:48,390 --> 01:13:46,719 it's called the lazar tape excerpts from 1865 01:13:50,390 --> 01:13:48,400 the government bible 1866 01:13:52,870 --> 01:13:50,400 and many people have digitized it and 1867 01:13:55,030 --> 01:13:52,880 uploaded to youtube you can watch it too 1868 01:13:57,270 --> 01:13:55,040 but my point is that right from the very 1869 01:14:00,630 --> 01:13:57,280 start of his story 1870 01:14:03,430 --> 01:14:00,640 he tried to sell the story for 29.95 1871 01:14:06,470 --> 01:14:03,440 plus 350 shipping and handling 1872 01:14:07,910 --> 01:14:06,480 many people were taken in and bought 1873 01:14:08,870 --> 01:14:07,920 that tape 1874 01:14:15,669 --> 01:14:08,880 i 1875 01:14:17,430 --> 01:14:15,679 gene huff 1876 01:14:19,030 --> 01:14:17,440 will return my phone calls because i 1877 01:14:20,950 --> 01:14:19,040 wanted to ask them how many of those 1878 01:14:23,510 --> 01:14:20,960 tapes were sold how much money did you 1879 01:14:25,990 --> 01:14:23,520 make selling that tape and by the way 1880 01:14:29,510 --> 01:14:26,000 folks they sold that tape for years and 1881 01:14:32,229 --> 01:14:29,520 years and years so bob lazar right from 1882 01:14:33,830 --> 01:14:32,239 the very start tried to cash in 1883 01:14:35,189 --> 01:14:33,840 i mentioned gene huff 1884 01:14:38,390 --> 01:14:35,199 gene huff 1885 01:14:41,189 --> 01:14:38,400 describes himself as a screenwriter 1886 01:14:43,510 --> 01:14:41,199 but so far the only 1887 01:14:46,470 --> 01:14:43,520 script that i've been able to verify 1888 01:14:48,950 --> 01:14:46,480 that he wrote is the bob lazar story bob 1889 01:14:50,870 --> 01:14:48,960 lazar and him besides selling this tape 1890 01:14:52,630 --> 01:14:50,880 in the back of science magazines at the 1891 01:14:54,870 --> 01:14:52,640 time bob came out with his incredible 1892 01:14:57,430 --> 01:14:54,880 story try to cash in that way try to 1893 01:14:59,830 --> 01:14:57,440 cash in in an even bigger way because 1894 01:15:01,669 --> 01:14:59,840 this story was huge folks it was all 1895 01:15:03,910 --> 01:15:01,679 over the news and bob was on a bunch of 1896 01:15:06,390 --> 01:15:03,920 different television shows for quite a 1897 01:15:08,709 --> 01:15:06,400 while after promoting the story 1898 01:15:10,950 --> 01:15:08,719 and jean huff and him the entire time 1899 01:15:13,350 --> 01:15:10,960 were writing a hollywood screenplay and 1900 01:15:15,350 --> 01:15:13,360 trying to sell it to hollywood but that 1901 01:15:16,790 --> 01:15:15,360 never quite worked out 1902 01:15:21,350 --> 01:15:16,800 so 1903 01:15:23,350 --> 01:15:21,360 videotape on how these flying saucers 1904 01:15:26,149 --> 01:15:23,360 work and his experience 1905 01:15:28,470 --> 01:15:26,159 at area 51 he definitely sold that tape 1906 01:15:30,310 --> 01:15:28,480 for 29.95 folks and 1907 01:15:32,950 --> 01:15:30,320 uh even back then 1908 01:15:35,270 --> 01:15:32,960 a big you know ad in the back of a 1909 01:15:37,030 --> 01:15:35,280 magazine was not a cheap thing if they 1910 01:15:39,750 --> 01:15:37,040 were doing all that advertising they 1911 01:15:42,070 --> 01:15:39,760 were selling these tapes folks 1912 01:15:44,470 --> 01:15:42,080 and for him to continually say i never 1913 01:15:45,910 --> 01:15:44,480 made any money from this story 1914 01:15:48,630 --> 01:15:45,920 he tried to cash in right from the very 1915 01:15:51,110 --> 01:15:48,640 start then him and gene huff try to cash 1916 01:15:53,030 --> 01:15:51,120 in and sell a hollywood screenplay but 1917 01:15:56,709 --> 01:15:53,040 apparently 1918 01:15:59,750 --> 01:15:56,719 it was never picked up or purchased 1919 01:16:01,669 --> 01:15:59,760 and here's another thing folks 1920 01:16:03,750 --> 01:16:01,679 many people may remember who were 1921 01:16:06,790 --> 01:16:03,760 interested in bob lazar in his story and 1922 01:16:09,189 --> 01:16:06,800 this is another thing that i bought 1923 01:16:11,030 --> 01:16:09,199 there was a testers model 1924 01:16:14,470 --> 01:16:11,040 and that model 1925 01:16:17,830 --> 01:16:14,480 was a model of the flying saucer that 1926 01:16:21,189 --> 01:16:17,840 babazar claims that he worked on at area 1927 01:16:24,070 --> 01:16:21,199 51 the so-called sport model 1928 01:16:27,430 --> 01:16:24,080 and you can still find them on ebay 1929 01:16:29,189 --> 01:16:27,440 it's called area s4 ufo revealed that it 1930 01:16:31,510 --> 01:16:29,199 comes in a box you know a bunch of 1931 01:16:34,390 --> 01:16:31,520 pieces 1932 01:16:37,510 --> 01:16:34,400 i bought that too folks yes i guess bob 1933 01:16:38,790 --> 01:16:37,520 lazar got me for more than the 29.95 as 1934 01:16:40,149 --> 01:16:38,800 a child 1935 01:16:41,990 --> 01:16:40,159 and i gotta say that's one of the things 1936 01:16:44,229 --> 01:16:42,000 i've been thinking about this guy tells 1937 01:16:46,709 --> 01:16:44,239 this fantastic story and he's got 1938 01:16:49,189 --> 01:16:46,719 science nerd kids like me all over the 1939 01:16:52,709 --> 01:16:49,199 country maybe even the world sending 1940 01:16:54,229 --> 01:16:52,719 away their hard-earned 29.95 to view 1941 01:16:56,790 --> 01:16:54,239 this tape 1942 01:16:59,430 --> 01:16:56,800 it's just it doesn't strike me as a very 1943 01:17:01,270 --> 01:16:59,440 ethical thing to do if you really did do 1944 01:17:03,110 --> 01:17:01,280 this stuff and work on flying saucers 1945 01:17:06,470 --> 01:17:03,120 would you be you know 1946 01:17:08,870 --> 01:17:06,480 basically taking money from children 1947 01:17:11,030 --> 01:17:08,880 to sell them your tape is that something 1948 01:17:13,270 --> 01:17:11,040 that a real whistleblower would do i i 1949 01:17:16,950 --> 01:17:13,280 don't i don't know i haven't seen like 1950 01:17:19,110 --> 01:17:16,960 the chelsea manning 29.95 1951 01:17:21,189 --> 01:17:19,120 dvd you know that she's selling i 1952 01:17:24,310 --> 01:17:21,199 haven't seen the edward snowden 1953 01:17:26,709 --> 01:17:24,320 uh 29.95 dvd that he's selling of his 1954 01:17:28,229 --> 01:17:26,719 experience i mean maybe he's 1955 01:17:29,590 --> 01:17:28,239 trying to do something to earn a living 1956 01:17:32,229 --> 01:17:29,600 for himself being a fugitive from 1957 01:17:34,310 --> 01:17:32,239 justice but it just seems crazy to me 1958 01:17:35,270 --> 01:17:34,320 that this guy's claiming never made any 1959 01:17:37,510 --> 01:17:35,280 money 1960 01:17:40,070 --> 01:17:37,520 and i 1961 01:17:42,310 --> 01:17:40,080 remember vividly 1962 01:17:45,110 --> 01:17:42,320 sending away my money and getting that 1963 01:17:46,550 --> 01:17:45,120 tape i also remember vividly 1964 01:17:49,189 --> 01:17:46,560 my father 1965 01:17:51,350 --> 01:17:49,199 taking me to a toy and hobby and train 1966 01:17:52,070 --> 01:17:51,360 store that he used to like 1967 01:17:54,390 --> 01:17:52,080 and 1968 01:17:56,390 --> 01:17:54,400 we were like we had to 1969 01:17:58,310 --> 01:17:56,400 ask them to get that model they didn't 1970 01:18:00,229 --> 01:17:58,320 have it and we came back a few weeks 1971 01:18:01,990 --> 01:18:00,239 later and i got the model and i took it 1972 01:18:04,070 --> 01:18:02,000 home and i put it together 1973 01:18:05,910 --> 01:18:04,080 and to be honest i don't remember how 1974 01:18:07,590 --> 01:18:05,920 much that model was but 1975 01:18:09,669 --> 01:18:07,600 considering how cheap i remember my 1976 01:18:10,470 --> 01:18:09,679 father being it had to be under 20 but 1977 01:18:13,189 --> 01:18:10,480 still 1978 01:18:14,790 --> 01:18:13,199 uh 1979 01:18:15,990 --> 01:18:14,800 so 1980 01:18:18,310 --> 01:18:16,000 he 1981 01:18:21,270 --> 01:18:18,320 of course was paid something from 1982 01:18:22,229 --> 01:18:21,280 testers model corporation 1983 01:18:26,149 --> 01:18:22,239 for 1984 01:18:28,709 --> 01:18:26,159 licensing them to sell his area 51 1985 01:18:31,910 --> 01:18:28,719 flying saucer model there's another way 1986 01:18:34,950 --> 01:18:31,920 that he made money from his story 1987 01:18:38,390 --> 01:18:34,960 and i gotta tell you folks i tried to 1988 01:18:41,030 --> 01:18:38,400 verify with testers corporation how much 1989 01:18:41,990 --> 01:18:41,040 money bob lazar made with that model 1990 01:18:44,470 --> 01:18:42,000 deal 1991 01:18:46,950 --> 01:18:44,480 but i contacted the public 1992 01:18:48,950 --> 01:18:46,960 uh relations person there who was less 1993 01:18:51,110 --> 01:18:48,960 than helpful when he heard that i was 1994 01:18:52,790 --> 01:18:51,120 asking him about a flying saucer model 1995 01:18:54,790 --> 01:18:52,800 they made 1996 01:18:57,990 --> 01:18:54,800 many years ago 1997 01:19:00,709 --> 01:18:58,000 so uh i talked to michael stratt who has 1998 01:19:03,750 --> 01:19:00,719 all of john andrews i believe his name 1999 01:19:05,430 --> 01:19:03,760 is papers uh who was the guy who 2000 01:19:07,350 --> 01:19:05,440 actually sat down with bob lazar and 2001 01:19:09,910 --> 01:19:07,360 designed the model who worked at 2002 01:19:11,510 --> 01:19:09,920 tester's model corporation and he worked 2003 01:19:13,270 --> 01:19:11,520 on many different 2004 01:19:15,430 --> 01:19:13,280 projects including like 2005 01:19:17,110 --> 01:19:15,440 a model of the black bird or a model of 2006 01:19:19,990 --> 01:19:17,120 the stealth bomber that 2007 01:19:21,270 --> 01:19:20,000 you know testers were selling models for 2008 01:19:23,430 --> 01:19:21,280 and 2009 01:19:25,430 --> 01:19:23,440 i've gotten conflicting information 2010 01:19:28,470 --> 01:19:25,440 because besides michael stratt who has 2011 01:19:30,630 --> 01:19:28,480 the information from john andrews i got 2012 01:19:33,110 --> 01:19:30,640 another source which i found that worked 2013 01:19:36,310 --> 01:19:33,120 at testers model corporation at the time 2014 01:19:38,950 --> 01:19:36,320 who is now retired who would speak to me 2015 01:19:41,750 --> 01:19:38,960 my own source told me that testers model 2016 01:19:44,470 --> 01:19:41,760 corporation made over a million of those 2017 01:19:46,550 --> 01:19:44,480 models those models were in every twain 2018 01:19:48,709 --> 01:19:46,560 hobby store in the united states in 2019 01:19:51,110 --> 01:19:48,719 stock for quite some time 2020 01:19:53,350 --> 01:19:51,120 those were in well i don't want to say 2021 01:19:54,950 --> 01:19:53,360 every toy hobby shop they were in most 2022 01:19:57,189 --> 01:19:54,960 of the toy and hobby shops in the 2023 01:19:59,189 --> 01:19:57,199 country especially the bigger chains 2024 01:20:01,910 --> 01:19:59,199 they were in toys r us they were in 2025 01:20:04,390 --> 01:20:01,920 kitty city that's what he told me 2026 01:20:07,669 --> 01:20:04,400 and i remember that being a child and 2027 01:20:10,390 --> 01:20:07,679 being in both toys r us and kitty city 2028 01:20:13,669 --> 01:20:10,400 and yes seeing that model in the model 2029 01:20:16,310 --> 01:20:13,679 section he also told me that bob lazar 2030 01:20:21,189 --> 01:20:16,320 got a royalty for each 2031 01:20:24,070 --> 01:20:21,199 model sold and he got paid an initial 2032 01:20:26,550 --> 01:20:24,080 advance to sit down with john andrews 2033 01:20:29,510 --> 01:20:26,560 and design this model 2034 01:20:31,669 --> 01:20:29,520 now it's important that i mention uh i 2035 01:20:32,550 --> 01:20:31,679 did mention michael stratt and michael 2036 01:20:34,870 --> 01:20:32,560 schrad 2037 01:20:37,270 --> 01:20:34,880 got back to me through a private message 2038 01:20:40,870 --> 01:20:37,280 and said i do not have any original 2039 01:20:43,590 --> 01:20:40,880 paperwork on the exact sports model 2040 01:20:45,510 --> 01:20:43,600 model sales figures but i can tell you 2041 01:20:47,110 --> 01:20:45,520 that testers sold 2042 01:20:49,430 --> 01:20:47,120 less 2043 01:20:52,550 --> 01:20:49,440 of that model than the stealth aircraft 2044 01:20:56,550 --> 01:20:52,560 model designed also by john andrews 2045 01:20:58,709 --> 01:20:56,560 that model sold over a million copies 2046 01:21:00,470 --> 01:20:58,719 so honestly i'm not quite sure how much 2047 01:21:03,110 --> 01:21:00,480 bob lazar made 2048 01:21:04,310 --> 01:21:03,120 from this model project 2049 01:21:06,950 --> 01:21:04,320 but 2050 01:21:08,790 --> 01:21:06,960 both sources that i've gotten seemed to 2051 01:21:10,070 --> 01:21:08,800 conclude that yes he made money from 2052 01:21:12,550 --> 01:21:10,080 that model 2053 01:21:13,669 --> 01:21:12,560 now i wanted to be sure and i wanted to 2054 01:21:16,070 --> 01:21:13,679 verify 2055 01:21:18,550 --> 01:21:16,080 these two sources so i reached out to 2056 01:21:20,390 --> 01:21:18,560 media contacts for testers model 2057 01:21:22,550 --> 01:21:20,400 corporation which is actually owned by 2058 01:21:24,709 --> 01:21:22,560 rust-oleum paint company 2059 01:21:27,030 --> 01:21:24,719 and i got to tell you i talk about 2060 01:21:28,390 --> 01:21:27,040 sometimes people are very helpful you 2061 01:21:30,709 --> 01:21:28,400 reach out to them you get a lot of 2062 01:21:32,629 --> 01:21:30,719 excellent help and advice 2063 01:21:34,310 --> 01:21:32,639 the public relations contact at 2064 01:21:35,910 --> 01:21:34,320 rustoleum 2065 01:21:39,430 --> 01:21:35,920 as soon as you heard what i what 2066 01:21:41,830 --> 01:21:39,440 information i wanted was very very 2067 01:21:43,669 --> 01:21:41,840 argumentative and difficult with me i 2068 01:21:45,110 --> 01:21:43,679 was very respectful in my approach i 2069 01:21:46,709 --> 01:21:45,120 really tried to get the information 2070 01:21:48,149 --> 01:21:46,719 explained to him here's my two sources 2071 01:21:49,189 --> 01:21:48,159 here's what they said can you please 2072 01:21:51,270 --> 01:21:49,199 verify 2073 01:21:52,870 --> 01:21:51,280 you know how much did babazor make what 2074 01:21:54,950 --> 01:21:52,880 was the financial arrangement and i 2075 01:21:56,870 --> 01:21:54,960 realized that this is 20 or 30 year old 2076 01:21:59,750 --> 01:21:56,880 well it's 30 year old uh 2077 01:22:01,030 --> 01:21:59,760 probably 30 year old information but 2078 01:22:03,030 --> 01:22:01,040 i thought that his company had a 2079 01:22:05,110 --> 01:22:03,040 responsibility especially with him being 2080 01:22:07,189 --> 01:22:05,120 the public relations guy 2081 01:22:09,350 --> 01:22:07,199 and the media relations person to give 2082 01:22:11,270 --> 01:22:09,360 me the proper information so that i can 2083 01:22:13,110 --> 01:22:11,280 inform you my listeners what the truth 2084 01:22:15,110 --> 01:22:13,120 is about how much money did bob lazar 2085 01:22:17,750 --> 01:22:15,120 make on this model 2086 01:22:19,229 --> 01:22:17,760 uh this man's name is vincent 2087 01:22:21,750 --> 01:22:19,239 pierre 2088 01:22:24,550 --> 01:22:21,760 p-i-e-r-r-i you can go to rust-oleum's 2089 01:22:26,790 --> 01:22:24,560 website and click on contact us 2090 01:22:28,709 --> 01:22:26,800 and for media contacts that's the person 2091 01:22:31,030 --> 01:22:28,719 you're supposed to contact that's who i 2092 01:22:32,070 --> 01:22:31,040 contacted first of all 2093 01:22:33,669 --> 01:22:32,080 uh 2094 01:22:35,990 --> 01:22:33,679 he made me 2095 01:22:39,350 --> 01:22:36,000 call him back several several times and 2096 01:22:41,270 --> 01:22:39,360 then i did and uh when i told him who i 2097 01:22:43,750 --> 01:22:41,280 was that i had a show 2098 01:22:45,430 --> 01:22:43,760 he basically said you're not major media 2099 01:22:47,430 --> 01:22:45,440 i don't need to speak to you and hung up 2100 01:22:49,189 --> 01:22:47,440 on me so then i called him back and i 2101 01:22:50,790 --> 01:22:49,199 said look i'm really sorry maybe we got 2102 01:22:52,950 --> 01:22:50,800 off the wrong foot i really need this 2103 01:22:55,030 --> 01:22:52,960 information can you please help me and 2104 01:22:57,910 --> 01:22:55,040 he said you have to submit a request in 2105 01:23:00,470 --> 01:22:57,920 writing so i emailed him i got his email 2106 01:23:02,229 --> 01:23:00,480 address uh from the company i emailed 2107 01:23:04,390 --> 01:23:02,239 him the request in writing i could read 2108 01:23:06,709 --> 01:23:04,400 it to you but again i just asked him can 2109 01:23:08,950 --> 01:23:06,719 he please verify for me how much babazon 2110 01:23:11,110 --> 01:23:08,960 was paid for these testers models how 2111 01:23:13,350 --> 01:23:11,120 many tester models were sold was he 2112 01:23:15,910 --> 01:23:13,360 given a royalty did he get in advance i 2113 01:23:18,149 --> 01:23:15,920 wanted to verify my source who worked 2114 01:23:20,310 --> 01:23:18,159 there at tester's model corporation 2115 01:23:22,229 --> 01:23:20,320 which by the way they did verify i 2116 01:23:24,390 --> 01:23:22,239 verified that guy's employment did work 2117 01:23:26,310 --> 01:23:24,400 for tesla's model corporation that's the 2118 01:23:28,390 --> 01:23:26,320 source who told me that over a million 2119 01:23:31,030 --> 01:23:28,400 models were made and bob lazar got a 2120 01:23:32,629 --> 01:23:31,040 cash advance uh to sit down with john 2121 01:23:36,310 --> 01:23:32,639 andrews and design the model and then he 2122 01:23:39,110 --> 01:23:36,320 got paid a royalty per model sold 2123 01:23:41,750 --> 01:23:39,120 so this vincent payeri was very very 2124 01:23:42,870 --> 01:23:41,760 difficult would not help me said you 2125 01:23:44,550 --> 01:23:42,880 have to 2126 01:23:47,350 --> 01:23:44,560 be a major of the major 2127 01:23:49,669 --> 01:23:47,360 you know be a member of the major media 2128 01:23:51,189 --> 01:23:49,679 like cnn then i'll speak to you i don't 2129 01:23:52,550 --> 01:23:51,199 need to speak to you you do a little 2130 01:23:53,830 --> 01:23:52,560 radio show 2131 01:23:55,430 --> 01:23:53,840 you know 2132 01:23:57,030 --> 01:23:55,440 i call the guy back 2133 01:23:59,030 --> 01:23:57,040 and again he was very very difficult he 2134 01:24:01,510 --> 01:23:59,040 said if you submit a request in writing 2135 01:24:03,430 --> 01:24:01,520 i'll get back to you i submitted 2136 01:24:04,310 --> 01:24:03,440 three or four emails which i have copies 2137 01:24:06,390 --> 01:24:04,320 of 2138 01:24:08,790 --> 01:24:06,400 time stamped dated return receipt 2139 01:24:10,149 --> 01:24:08,800 requested he opened all of them didn't 2140 01:24:12,950 --> 01:24:10,159 get back to me 2141 01:24:14,790 --> 01:24:12,960 uh you know so finally i call him again 2142 01:24:17,350 --> 01:24:14,800 and he said no no 2143 01:24:19,189 --> 01:24:17,360 not email you have to submit an actual 2144 01:24:21,430 --> 01:24:19,199 written letter 2145 01:24:24,229 --> 01:24:21,440 and so i got the address and i sent the 2146 01:24:26,070 --> 01:24:24,239 same requests three or four times 2147 01:24:27,910 --> 01:24:26,080 and he still wouldn't get back to me i 2148 01:24:31,510 --> 01:24:27,920 called this man one more time and he was 2149 01:24:33,350 --> 01:24:31,520 very nasty to me and refused to help me 2150 01:24:35,350 --> 01:24:33,360 so i just want to say that if any of my 2151 01:24:37,910 --> 01:24:35,360 listeners really want to know for 2152 01:24:40,470 --> 01:24:37,920 absolute certain we have some idea here 2153 01:24:42,470 --> 01:24:40,480 from my two sources that bob lazar made 2154 01:24:44,229 --> 01:24:42,480 a bunch of money on this tester's model 2155 01:24:46,870 --> 01:24:44,239 but we don't know for sure and this 2156 01:24:48,550 --> 01:24:46,880 vincent prairie i never do this but 2157 01:24:50,629 --> 01:24:48,560 considering the way that he treated me i 2158 01:24:52,070 --> 01:24:50,639 think it's only fair uh he's the public 2159 01:24:53,669 --> 01:24:52,080 relations head 2160 01:24:55,830 --> 01:24:53,679 this is his phone number if you want to 2161 01:24:59,189 --> 01:24:55,840 know i encourage you call him his phone 2162 01:25:00,870 --> 01:24:59,199 number is 847 8162 2163 01:25:02,709 --> 01:25:00,880 tell him stephen from the midnight hours 2164 01:25:05,430 --> 01:25:02,719 sent you i'm the guy that he wouldn't 2165 01:25:07,270 --> 01:25:05,440 help with this information and uh if you 2166 01:25:08,950 --> 01:25:07,280 can't get a hold of him at the business 2167 01:25:13,830 --> 01:25:08,960 line there you can call his cell phone 2168 01:25:15,270 --> 01:25:13,840 here's his cell phone it's 847 997 2169 01:25:16,950 --> 01:25:15,280 make sure you tell them that steven from 2170 01:25:19,669 --> 01:25:16,960 the midnight hour send them all these 2171 01:25:22,310 --> 01:25:19,679 written requests and you'd also like to 2172 01:25:24,070 --> 01:25:22,320 know how much money bob lazar made from 2173 01:25:25,750 --> 01:25:24,080 the testers model 2174 01:25:28,229 --> 01:25:25,760 now folks there's one more thing that i 2175 01:25:30,790 --> 01:25:28,239 wanted to mention in regard to bob lazar 2176 01:25:33,030 --> 01:25:30,800 making money from telling his story and 2177 01:25:33,830 --> 01:25:33,040 that is that babazar 2178 01:25:35,750 --> 01:25:33,840 uh 2179 01:25:38,950 --> 01:25:35,760 i guess to his credit he doesn't run 2180 01:25:42,070 --> 01:25:38,960 around and do the ufo conference circuit 2181 01:25:43,590 --> 01:25:42,080 i think that he's smart to not do that 2182 01:25:45,030 --> 01:25:43,600 because 2183 01:25:47,270 --> 01:25:45,040 you know there's many guys running 2184 01:25:51,430 --> 01:25:47,280 around making very little money doing 2185 01:25:57,270 --> 01:25:54,950 did appear at the 2015 international ufo 2186 01:25:59,430 --> 01:25:57,280 congress in fact he was the big star 2187 01:26:01,350 --> 01:25:59,440 right he was the one that was going to 2188 01:26:02,470 --> 01:26:01,360 help them sell all the tickets to this 2189 01:26:05,030 --> 01:26:02,480 thing 2190 01:26:07,990 --> 01:26:05,040 and i have confirmed with a source close 2191 01:26:10,149 --> 01:26:08,000 to the 2015 international ufo congress 2192 01:26:15,350 --> 01:26:10,159 that bob lazar was paid 2193 01:26:20,310 --> 01:26:17,830 so when bob lazar says he has no reason 2194 01:26:23,189 --> 01:26:20,320 to lie and he never makes any money from 2195 01:26:26,149 --> 01:26:23,199 telling his story well we have at least 2196 01:26:30,310 --> 01:26:26,159 one instance at the 2015 international 2197 01:26:32,149 --> 01:26:30,320 ufo congress where bob lazar was paid 2198 01:26:34,229 --> 01:26:32,159 ten thousand dollars 2199 01:26:35,990 --> 01:26:34,239 to tell his story 2200 01:26:37,590 --> 01:26:36,000 now i thought that number seemed high 2201 01:26:40,070 --> 01:26:37,600 but i asked around to a bunch of 2202 01:26:42,229 --> 01:26:40,080 different conference organizers and yes 2203 01:26:43,510 --> 01:26:42,239 some of the big stars in so-called 2204 01:26:46,070 --> 01:26:43,520 ufology 2205 01:26:49,030 --> 01:26:46,080 uh especially for an important event or 2206 01:26:52,470 --> 01:26:49,040 important appearance can demand 2207 01:26:54,629 --> 01:26:52,480 that high of an appearance fee and that 2208 01:26:57,910 --> 01:26:54,639 my friends is what bob lazar was 2209 01:27:00,870 --> 01:26:57,920 reportedly paid to appear at that 2210 01:27:02,870 --> 01:27:00,880 conference ten thousand dollars 2211 01:27:05,590 --> 01:27:02,880 so we've got him right from the very 2212 01:27:07,669 --> 01:27:05,600 beginning selling that tape 2213 01:27:09,990 --> 01:27:07,679 we've got him cutting deals with testers 2214 01:27:12,229 --> 01:27:10,000 model corporation 2215 01:27:13,830 --> 01:27:12,239 and getting a royalty for 2216 01:27:15,510 --> 01:27:13,840 what is reported to be 2217 01:27:17,910 --> 01:27:15,520 either almost a million or over a 2218 01:27:20,229 --> 01:27:17,920 million of those models sold plus an 2219 01:27:22,790 --> 01:27:20,239 advance to sit down with john andrews 2220 01:27:25,110 --> 01:27:22,800 and design the model 2221 01:27:28,950 --> 01:27:25,120 and we've got him debt to rights getting 2222 01:27:32,229 --> 01:27:28,960 paid a very large speaking fee 2223 01:27:35,350 --> 01:27:32,239 or appearance fee to appear at the 2015 2224 01:27:36,310 --> 01:27:35,360 international ufo congress 2225 01:27:41,510 --> 01:27:36,320 so 2226 01:27:43,350 --> 01:27:41,520 lie or make up these stories and he 2227 01:27:44,709 --> 01:27:43,360 doesn't make any money from telling 2228 01:27:46,310 --> 01:27:44,719 these stories 2229 01:27:48,950 --> 01:27:46,320 it's a lie folks it's a complete and 2230 01:27:51,430 --> 01:27:48,960 total lie and these are just a few 2231 01:27:53,510 --> 01:27:51,440 examples i'm sure there's more 2232 01:27:55,590 --> 01:27:53,520 i'm sure there's more folks 2233 01:27:57,590 --> 01:27:55,600 he also tried to cash in and sell 2234 01:28:00,149 --> 01:27:57,600 hollywood screenplay it just hasn't 2235 01:28:01,750 --> 01:28:00,159 worked out so far for him now let's move 2236 01:28:03,830 --> 01:28:01,760 on to something that i think is very 2237 01:28:06,149 --> 01:28:03,840 important and that is 2238 01:28:09,270 --> 01:28:06,159 some of the descriptions of things that 2239 01:28:12,470 --> 01:28:09,280 bob lazar has described he's drawn 2240 01:28:14,870 --> 01:28:12,480 like that area 51 s4 2241 01:28:17,510 --> 01:28:14,880 sport model flying saucer 2242 01:28:19,189 --> 01:28:17,520 if you go and google s4 2243 01:28:21,030 --> 01:28:19,199 bob lazar flying saucer you're going to 2244 01:28:22,950 --> 01:28:21,040 quickly get an image for it 2245 01:28:25,350 --> 01:28:22,960 if you go and google 2246 01:28:28,390 --> 01:28:25,360 billy meyer flying saucer you're going 2247 01:28:29,990 --> 01:28:28,400 to get nearly the exact same image 2248 01:28:32,310 --> 01:28:30,000 i always thought folks that that was 2249 01:28:35,910 --> 01:28:32,320 very curious and then we come to find 2250 01:28:36,790 --> 01:28:35,920 out that the reason that bob lazar 2251 01:28:39,189 --> 01:28:36,800 met 2252 01:28:39,990 --> 01:28:39,199 john lear to begin with is because he 2253 01:28:43,030 --> 01:28:40,000 went 2254 01:28:45,510 --> 01:28:43,040 to john lear's house with gene huff who 2255 01:28:48,709 --> 01:28:45,520 is going to do a real estate appraisal 2256 01:28:52,310 --> 01:28:48,719 on john lear's home in exchange for 2257 01:28:55,430 --> 01:28:52,320 getting all of john lear's stuff 2258 01:28:57,669 --> 01:28:55,440 john lear has spoken in some detail 2259 01:28:59,430 --> 01:28:57,679 about billy meyer 2260 01:29:01,110 --> 01:28:59,440 john lear believes that billy meyer is a 2261 01:29:03,990 --> 01:29:01,120 genuine case 2262 01:29:06,709 --> 01:29:04,000 i think that most people 2263 01:29:08,470 --> 01:29:06,719 really know that billy meyer is a 2264 01:29:11,030 --> 01:29:08,480 complete and total fraud 2265 01:29:13,590 --> 01:29:11,040 who put models of flying saucers you 2266 01:29:16,390 --> 01:29:13,600 know up on strings and we've previously 2267 01:29:17,669 --> 01:29:16,400 reported on that uh on previous episodes 2268 01:29:20,709 --> 01:29:17,679 of my show 2269 01:29:22,629 --> 01:29:20,719 he's been thoroughly debunked as a fraud 2270 01:29:25,990 --> 01:29:22,639 and a hoaxer but it's important to 2271 01:29:27,990 --> 01:29:26,000 realize that for some reason bob lazar's 2272 01:29:31,270 --> 01:29:28,000 flying saucer 2273 01:29:33,910 --> 01:29:31,280 bears an uncanny resemblance to 2274 01:29:34,870 --> 01:29:33,920 one of billy meyer's flying saucer 2275 01:29:37,189 --> 01:29:34,880 models 2276 01:29:39,350 --> 01:29:37,199 in fact they look identical bubbles or 2277 01:29:40,950 --> 01:29:39,360 even comments on it oh yeah it looks 2278 01:29:42,390 --> 01:29:40,960 just like billy myers yeah that's 2279 01:29:44,390 --> 01:29:42,400 strange 2280 01:29:45,270 --> 01:29:44,400 and this my friends 2281 01:29:48,229 --> 01:29:45,280 is 2282 01:29:50,870 --> 01:29:48,239 more than a coincidence considering that 2283 01:29:53,270 --> 01:29:50,880 babazar and jean huff got all the billy 2284 01:29:54,550 --> 01:29:53,280 meyer tapes including 2285 01:29:56,870 --> 01:29:54,560 you know 2286 01:29:58,870 --> 01:29:56,880 all of the films of the flying saucers 2287 01:30:00,310 --> 01:29:58,880 that billy meyer was supposed to be 2288 01:30:02,870 --> 01:30:00,320 filming 2289 01:30:07,510 --> 01:30:02,880 again those are frauds folks but 2290 01:30:10,550 --> 01:30:09,430 sat around i suppose watching those 2291 01:30:13,750 --> 01:30:10,560 tapes 2292 01:30:16,149 --> 01:30:13,760 and there was also documentation where 2293 01:30:18,629 --> 01:30:16,159 billy meyer describes the propulsion 2294 01:30:20,950 --> 01:30:18,639 system of the flying saucer that i 2295 01:30:23,350 --> 01:30:20,960 believe that bob lazar copied to make 2296 01:30:24,950 --> 01:30:23,360 his sport model and billy myers flying 2297 01:30:28,070 --> 01:30:24,960 saucer also 2298 01:30:30,629 --> 01:30:28,080 conveniently used an anti-gravity 2299 01:30:32,229 --> 01:30:30,639 propulsion system that was powered by 2300 01:30:34,870 --> 01:30:32,239 antimatter 2301 01:30:38,070 --> 01:30:34,880 so not only does it look identical to 2302 01:30:41,110 --> 01:30:38,080 billy meyer's fake fraudulent 2303 01:30:43,830 --> 01:30:41,120 ufo that was actually you know 2304 01:30:45,110 --> 01:30:43,840 a model that he made and hung up on a 2305 01:30:46,870 --> 01:30:45,120 string 2306 01:30:49,830 --> 01:30:46,880 it's been proven time and time again 2307 01:30:52,070 --> 01:30:49,840 that billy meyer was a fake and a fraud 2308 01:30:54,709 --> 01:30:52,080 not only is the flying saucer look 2309 01:30:56,950 --> 01:30:54,719 identical to bob lazar's flying saucer 2310 01:30:59,110 --> 01:30:56,960 but the way the power system worked in 2311 01:31:01,910 --> 01:30:59,120 bob lazar's flying saucer was very very 2312 01:31:02,629 --> 01:31:01,920 close to what billy myers said and there 2313 01:31:04,629 --> 01:31:02,639 is 2314 01:31:08,470 --> 01:31:04,639 text transcripts of billy meyer 2315 01:31:11,669 --> 01:31:08,480 describing the anti-matter propulsion 2316 01:31:13,830 --> 01:31:11,679 system the anti-matter power system that 2317 01:31:15,110 --> 01:31:13,840 powered the beam ship 2318 01:31:19,910 --> 01:31:15,120 it's too 2319 01:31:21,990 --> 01:31:19,920 than a coincidence 2320 01:31:24,790 --> 01:31:22,000 i don't have proof of this but it's just 2321 01:31:26,629 --> 01:31:24,800 something that i want you to think about 2322 01:31:28,870 --> 01:31:26,639 and let's also think about all the times 2323 01:31:32,550 --> 01:31:28,880 bob lazar has been caught in outright 2324 01:31:34,950 --> 01:31:32,560 lies generally bob lazar will not give 2325 01:31:36,550 --> 01:31:34,960 interviews and he will certainly not 2326 01:31:38,310 --> 01:31:36,560 give interviews unless he has the 2327 01:31:39,669 --> 01:31:38,320 questions in advance so he can prepare 2328 01:31:41,430 --> 01:31:39,679 his answers 2329 01:31:42,790 --> 01:31:41,440 that's something that i've heard don't 2330 01:31:43,669 --> 01:31:42,800 know if it's true 2331 01:31:45,350 --> 01:31:43,679 but 2332 01:31:47,669 --> 01:31:45,360 bob lazar was on 2333 01:31:49,990 --> 01:31:47,679 an episode of larry king 2334 01:31:51,510 --> 01:31:50,000 where viewers were sending in questions 2335 01:31:53,510 --> 01:31:51,520 and i gotta say 2336 01:31:55,590 --> 01:31:53,520 i was so happy to hear 2337 01:31:59,430 --> 01:31:55,600 that at least two of the questions bob 2338 01:32:02,870 --> 01:31:59,440 was asked he completely and totally 2339 01:32:05,990 --> 01:32:02,880 proved himself to be a fraud a fake and 2340 01:32:08,310 --> 01:32:06,000 a liar i caught this i'm not sure that 2341 01:32:09,189 --> 01:32:08,320 other people did but 2342 01:32:11,430 --> 01:32:09,199 let's 2343 01:32:13,510 --> 01:32:11,440 let you listen to the first question 2344 01:32:16,070 --> 01:32:13,520 that i think proves him a fraud a fake 2345 01:32:17,830 --> 01:32:16,080 and a liar and i'm going to tell you why 2346 01:32:19,830 --> 01:32:17,840 let's listen to the first question it's 2347 01:32:22,790 --> 01:32:19,840 about gravity waves 2348 01:32:25,510 --> 01:32:22,800 bob if a spacecraft distorted space time 2349 01:32:27,669 --> 01:32:25,520 in order to travel massive distances 2350 01:32:30,310 --> 01:32:27,679 assuming they don't make any arduously 2351 01:32:32,629 --> 01:32:30,320 large number of tiny jumps would you 2352 01:32:35,669 --> 01:32:32,639 expect such distortion to cause 2353 01:32:38,790 --> 01:32:35,679 detectable gravity waves yes i actually 2354 01:32:41,030 --> 01:32:38,800 i i would depending on the direction the 2355 01:32:43,270 --> 01:32:41,040 craft is traveling yeah i would imagine 2356 01:32:44,390 --> 01:32:43,280 we would be able to detect some gravity 2357 01:32:46,870 --> 01:32:44,400 waves 2358 01:32:49,750 --> 01:32:46,880 while so once bob lazar and i actually 2359 01:32:51,510 --> 01:32:49,760 agree on something he's right if a craft 2360 01:32:53,669 --> 01:32:51,520 worked in the way that bob lazar 2361 01:32:54,629 --> 01:32:53,679 described the craft that he worked on 2362 01:32:57,750 --> 01:32:54,639 worked 2363 01:33:00,310 --> 01:32:57,760 we would absolutely be able to detect 2364 01:33:02,229 --> 01:33:00,320 those gravity waves 2365 01:33:04,790 --> 01:33:02,239 but there's a big problem with bob 2366 01:33:07,350 --> 01:33:04,800 lazar's story of how this alien 2367 01:33:09,830 --> 01:33:07,360 spacecraft he claims he worked on he 2368 01:33:11,030 --> 01:33:09,840 claims he viewed tests of 2369 01:33:12,790 --> 01:33:11,040 worked 2370 01:33:13,990 --> 01:33:12,800 we would be able to detect those gravity 2371 01:33:17,110 --> 01:33:14,000 waves 2372 01:33:19,830 --> 01:33:17,120 i have to tell you folks about something 2373 01:33:22,950 --> 01:33:19,840 called ligo the laser 2374 01:33:29,430 --> 01:33:24,950 i have to tell you folks about something 2375 01:33:32,390 --> 01:33:29,440 called ligo l-i-g-o the laser 2376 01:33:33,750 --> 01:33:32,400 interferometer gravitational wave 2377 01:33:36,550 --> 01:33:33,760 observatory 2378 01:33:38,390 --> 01:33:36,560 this is something that we have we have 2379 01:33:41,669 --> 01:33:38,400 an observatory that is 2380 01:33:43,510 --> 01:33:41,679 the sole purpose is to detect and study 2381 01:33:46,870 --> 01:33:43,520 gravity waves 2382 01:33:49,270 --> 01:33:46,880 and if a craft operated the way that bob 2383 01:33:51,350 --> 01:33:49,280 lazar claims the flying saucers he 2384 01:33:53,750 --> 01:33:51,360 worked on operated we would be able to 2385 01:33:56,709 --> 01:33:53,760 detect those gravity waves even bob 2386 01:33:59,110 --> 01:33:56,719 lazar when asked the question 2387 01:34:01,270 --> 01:33:59,120 from a viewer of larry king's show 2388 01:34:03,750 --> 01:34:01,280 agreed yes we would be able to detect 2389 01:34:05,510 --> 01:34:03,760 those gravity waves 2390 01:34:08,629 --> 01:34:05,520 i wanted to be sure 2391 01:34:09,669 --> 01:34:08,639 so i called ligo and talked to some very 2392 01:34:12,149 --> 01:34:09,679 kind 2393 01:34:14,550 --> 01:34:12,159 astrophysicists and physicists who 2394 01:34:15,669 --> 01:34:14,560 worked there 2395 01:34:17,030 --> 01:34:15,679 one of them 2396 01:34:19,430 --> 01:34:17,040 was even 2397 01:34:23,189 --> 01:34:19,440 kind enough to review 2398 01:34:26,310 --> 01:34:23,199 bob lazar's so-called science 2399 01:34:29,750 --> 01:34:26,320 he called me back and i have to say 2400 01:34:31,350 --> 01:34:29,760 this is a real scientist who works at 2401 01:34:33,669 --> 01:34:31,360 ligo 2402 01:34:36,550 --> 01:34:33,679 and he told me 2403 01:34:39,270 --> 01:34:36,560 that in his professional opinion 2404 01:34:41,350 --> 01:34:39,280 bob lazar science is science fiction 2405 01:34:43,030 --> 01:34:41,360 it's not real folks 2406 01:34:45,109 --> 01:34:43,040 and here's why 2407 01:34:47,030 --> 01:34:45,119 if bob lazar is telling the truth about 2408 01:34:48,629 --> 01:34:47,040 how these craft these so-called flying 2409 01:34:51,910 --> 01:34:48,639 saucers operated 2410 01:34:54,709 --> 01:34:51,920 then ligo would be able to detect them 2411 01:34:57,669 --> 01:34:54,719 traveling through space anywhere 2412 01:35:01,030 --> 01:34:57,679 anywhere near our solar system 2413 01:35:01,990 --> 01:35:01,040 their observatory has a massive reach 2414 01:35:03,910 --> 01:35:02,000 folks 2415 01:35:06,950 --> 01:35:03,920 they've never detected 2416 01:35:08,390 --> 01:35:06,960 detectable gravity waves in our own 2417 01:35:11,270 --> 01:35:08,400 solar system 2418 01:35:14,709 --> 01:35:11,280 and they've certainly never detected 2419 01:35:18,870 --> 01:35:14,719 gravity waves in earth's atmosphere 2420 01:35:20,870 --> 01:35:18,880 bob lazar claimed that these craft 2421 01:35:23,109 --> 01:35:20,880 distorted space-time 2422 01:35:25,510 --> 01:35:23,119 and generated gravity waves that's how 2423 01:35:26,870 --> 01:35:25,520 they operated this is bob lazar's own 2424 01:35:28,870 --> 01:35:26,880 claims folks 2425 01:35:31,350 --> 01:35:28,880 and a real scientist that works at a 2426 01:35:33,830 --> 01:35:31,360 real scientific organization and 2427 01:35:36,629 --> 01:35:33,840 observatory that is designed 2428 01:35:39,030 --> 01:35:36,639 specifically to study 2429 01:35:40,830 --> 01:35:39,040 gravity waves says that bob lazar 2430 01:35:44,629 --> 01:35:40,840 science 2431 01:35:47,030 --> 01:35:44,639 is and bob lazarus claims that any 2432 01:35:50,229 --> 01:35:47,040 so-called flying saucer or experimental 2433 01:35:52,070 --> 01:35:50,239 craft that used gravity waves or 2434 01:35:54,550 --> 01:35:52,080 time-space distortion 2435 01:35:56,870 --> 01:35:54,560 to propel the craft 2436 01:35:58,310 --> 01:35:56,880 is a complete and total science fiction 2437 01:36:01,270 --> 01:35:58,320 fantasy 2438 01:36:04,790 --> 01:36:01,280 this is a real scientist folks who works 2439 01:36:07,030 --> 01:36:04,800 at ligo studying gravity waves he says 2440 01:36:08,629 --> 01:36:07,040 that if a craft such as bob lazar 2441 01:36:11,750 --> 01:36:08,639 describes 2442 01:36:13,510 --> 01:36:11,760 ever was test flown in our atmosphere 2443 01:36:15,990 --> 01:36:13,520 they would certainly have detected those 2444 01:36:18,870 --> 01:36:16,000 gravity waves and they never have 2445 01:36:21,669 --> 01:36:18,880 if a craft such as bob lazar describes 2446 01:36:24,390 --> 01:36:21,679 ever traveled anywhere near anywhere 2447 01:36:27,030 --> 01:36:24,400 near he said our solar system 2448 01:36:28,070 --> 01:36:27,040 then ligo that observatory would 2449 01:36:32,709 --> 01:36:28,080 certainly 2450 01:36:34,310 --> 01:36:32,719 that time space distortion 2451 01:36:36,709 --> 01:36:34,320 would have detected 2452 01:36:38,550 --> 01:36:36,719 those gravity waves and they never ever 2453 01:36:40,629 --> 01:36:38,560 have folks 2454 01:36:42,550 --> 01:36:40,639 that's the end of the story a real 2455 01:36:43,990 --> 01:36:42,560 scientist looked at his so-called 2456 01:36:45,830 --> 01:36:44,000 propulsion system and said it's a 2457 01:36:47,910 --> 01:36:45,840 science fiction fantasy and he has 2458 01:36:48,709 --> 01:36:47,920 actual scientific evidence to back him 2459 01:36:52,070 --> 01:36:48,719 up 2460 01:36:53,990 --> 01:36:52,080 if a flying saucer or any craft really 2461 01:36:56,229 --> 01:36:54,000 worked that way they would have detected 2462 01:37:00,310 --> 01:36:56,239 it and they never have folks it's a 2463 01:37:02,070 --> 01:37:00,320 fantasy a fraud a fake a con 2464 01:37:04,390 --> 01:37:02,080 let's move on to the next question that 2465 01:37:05,510 --> 01:37:04,400 he was asked and this one is even more 2466 01:37:08,310 --> 01:37:05,520 shocking 2467 01:37:10,950 --> 01:37:08,320 how big would a spacecraft from area 51 2468 01:37:14,310 --> 01:37:10,960 that the reverse engineering was done on 2469 01:37:16,149 --> 01:37:14,320 i think it was about 52 feet in diameter 2470 01:37:18,149 --> 01:37:16,159 and ladies and gentlemen i have to say 2471 01:37:21,669 --> 01:37:18,159 when i heard bob lazar answer this 2472 01:37:23,750 --> 01:37:21,679 question i almost fell off my chair 2473 01:37:25,510 --> 01:37:23,760 this is another one of those 2474 01:37:28,550 --> 01:37:25,520 little things 2475 01:37:30,390 --> 01:37:28,560 that bob lazar says people get lost in 2476 01:37:31,669 --> 01:37:30,400 the minutia 2477 01:37:33,350 --> 01:37:31,679 right 2478 01:37:34,550 --> 01:37:33,360 it's a little thing how big was the 2479 01:37:37,109 --> 01:37:34,560 craft 2480 01:37:39,990 --> 01:37:37,119 but it's a big thing it's a really big 2481 01:37:42,629 --> 01:37:40,000 thing that bob lazar says that the craft 2482 01:37:47,510 --> 01:37:42,639 the flying saucers that he worked on 2483 01:37:49,750 --> 01:37:47,520 at area 51 were 52 feet in diameter 2484 01:37:51,030 --> 01:37:49,760 because this my friends this little 2485 01:37:56,709 --> 01:37:51,040 thing 2486 01:37:59,590 --> 01:37:56,719 what a complete and total liar and fraud 2487 01:38:01,590 --> 01:37:59,600 and fake bob lazar is 2488 01:38:05,109 --> 01:38:01,600 he's saying that the craft that he 2489 01:38:08,390 --> 01:38:05,119 worked on were 52 feet in diameter 2490 01:38:09,669 --> 01:38:08,400 now i'm not a senior staff level 2491 01:38:11,750 --> 01:38:09,679 physicist 2492 01:38:15,430 --> 01:38:11,760 i'm not even that good at math 2493 01:38:17,270 --> 01:38:15,440 but i can do third grade math 2494 01:38:19,669 --> 01:38:17,280 and i gotta tell you that anybody that 2495 01:38:22,709 --> 01:38:19,679 can do third grade math can tell that 2496 01:38:25,350 --> 01:38:22,719 bob lazar is a liar just based on how he 2497 01:38:27,350 --> 01:38:25,360 answered this question that he was asked 2498 01:38:28,629 --> 01:38:27,360 on this larry king show about how big 2499 01:38:30,709 --> 01:38:28,639 the craft are 2500 01:38:32,470 --> 01:38:30,719 and here's why 2501 01:38:35,030 --> 01:38:32,480 i mentioned 2502 01:38:37,109 --> 01:38:35,040 my intense interest in his story and how 2503 01:38:39,510 --> 01:38:37,119 i have been collecting things for a very 2504 01:38:41,189 --> 01:38:39,520 very long time 2505 01:38:44,550 --> 01:38:41,199 and i'm sure 2506 01:38:46,629 --> 01:38:44,560 that at some point i had drawings that 2507 01:38:49,990 --> 01:38:46,639 bob lazar made when he first came out 2508 01:38:51,910 --> 01:38:50,000 with a story about the hangar bay doors 2509 01:38:55,430 --> 01:38:51,920 but i had to be sure 2510 01:38:57,590 --> 01:38:55,440 so i went to the man who knows 2511 01:38:59,189 --> 01:38:57,600 dan benkert who's one of the most 2512 01:39:02,950 --> 01:38:59,199 knowledgeable people i know about the 2513 01:39:04,550 --> 01:39:02,960 bob lazar case shout out to dan bankert 2514 01:39:06,790 --> 01:39:04,560 and i asked him 2515 01:39:08,470 --> 01:39:06,800 didn't bob lazar 2516 01:39:10,629 --> 01:39:08,480 do some drawings 2517 01:39:12,629 --> 01:39:10,639 and say how big the hangar bay doors 2518 01:39:14,470 --> 01:39:12,639 were 2519 01:39:16,790 --> 01:39:14,480 and i gotta tell you 2520 01:39:20,470 --> 01:39:16,800 the man who knows solar marshall came 2521 01:39:22,709 --> 01:39:20,480 through and he sent me once again 2522 01:39:23,830 --> 01:39:22,719 those original drawings that bob lazar 2523 01:39:24,830 --> 01:39:23,840 made 2524 01:39:26,870 --> 01:39:24,840 that had 2525 01:39:29,590 --> 01:39:26,880 some scribbles 2526 01:39:32,070 --> 01:39:29,600 about dimensions 2527 01:39:34,310 --> 01:39:32,080 and folks here's where it gets 2528 01:39:37,189 --> 01:39:34,320 completely convincing that bob lazar is 2529 01:39:38,629 --> 01:39:37,199 full of [\h__\h] and here's why 2530 01:39:43,270 --> 01:39:38,639 in 2531 01:39:45,669 --> 01:39:43,280 can tell the bubbles are made of the 2532 01:39:47,669 --> 01:39:45,679 so-called base where he worked on these 2533 01:39:50,310 --> 01:39:47,679 alien flying saucers 2534 01:39:53,590 --> 01:39:50,320 he drew 2535 01:39:56,149 --> 01:39:53,600 the facility and the hangar bay doors 2536 01:39:59,109 --> 01:39:56,159 and included in that drawing that was 2537 01:40:02,470 --> 01:39:59,119 drawn by bob lazar 2538 01:40:04,070 --> 01:40:02,480 he says that the hangar bay doors were 2539 01:40:05,750 --> 01:40:04,080 40 feet 2540 01:40:07,590 --> 01:40:05,760 wide 2541 01:40:10,070 --> 01:40:07,600 now like i said folks 2542 01:40:12,470 --> 01:40:10,080 i'm not a physicist i'm not even that 2543 01:40:13,669 --> 01:40:12,480 good at math but i can do third grade 2544 01:40:15,510 --> 01:40:13,679 math 2545 01:40:16,790 --> 01:40:15,520 so i'm going to ask you a very important 2546 01:40:20,629 --> 01:40:16,800 question 2547 01:40:25,750 --> 01:40:20,639 how does a 52 foot diameter spacecraft 2548 01:40:27,910 --> 01:40:25,760 get in and out of a 40-foot hangar door 2549 01:40:30,070 --> 01:40:27,920 now i wanted to be absolutely certain so 2550 01:40:32,629 --> 01:40:30,080 i went on a hunt and i probably had to 2551 01:40:33,910 --> 01:40:32,639 waste a great deal of time listening to 2552 01:40:36,790 --> 01:40:33,920 i don't know 2553 01:40:38,950 --> 01:40:36,800 so many hours of bob lazar 2554 01:40:41,910 --> 01:40:38,960 and interviews with him where he 2555 01:40:43,350 --> 01:40:41,920 basically proved himself a liar because 2556 01:40:46,149 --> 01:40:43,360 my friends 2557 01:40:47,189 --> 01:40:46,159 if the craft was 52 feet in diameter 2558 01:40:51,910 --> 01:40:47,199 multiple 2559 01:40:55,270 --> 01:40:51,920 hangar bay doors as being 2560 01:40:57,189 --> 01:40:55,280 less than 52 feet most often he said 2561 01:41:00,149 --> 01:40:57,199 they were 40 feet wide 2562 01:41:01,350 --> 01:41:00,159 there's no way folks that a 52 2563 01:41:04,790 --> 01:41:01,360 foot 2564 01:41:06,950 --> 01:41:04,800 aircraft drone airplane flying saucer 2565 01:41:09,189 --> 01:41:06,960 there's nothing that's 52 feet in 2566 01:41:10,950 --> 01:41:09,199 diameter that's going to fit out of a 2567 01:41:11,990 --> 01:41:10,960 40-foot hangar door 2568 01:41:14,629 --> 01:41:12,000 this is 2569 01:41:17,510 --> 01:41:14,639 one of those minutiae those things he 2570 01:41:19,270 --> 01:41:17,520 doesn't want you to be concerned with 2571 01:41:21,669 --> 01:41:19,280 but what do you think don't you think 2572 01:41:23,189 --> 01:41:21,679 this little detail is important 2573 01:41:25,430 --> 01:41:23,199 i think it proves him a complete and 2574 01:41:27,830 --> 01:41:25,440 total fraud and a liar 2575 01:41:30,070 --> 01:41:27,840 but let's move on to one more claim he's 2576 01:41:32,550 --> 01:41:30,080 made that i can easily prove is a 2577 01:41:34,390 --> 01:41:32,560 complete and total lie 2578 01:41:36,550 --> 01:41:34,400 and it's good that i can prove it a lie 2579 01:41:39,830 --> 01:41:36,560 because this claim is about 2580 01:41:41,910 --> 01:41:39,840 bob lazar passing lie detector tests 2581 01:41:44,550 --> 01:41:41,920 and many of his supporters including 2582 01:41:46,629 --> 01:41:44,560 george knapp and others 2583 01:41:48,310 --> 01:41:46,639 there was even an article 2584 01:41:50,870 --> 01:41:48,320 that came out around the time of this 2585 01:41:53,669 --> 01:41:50,880 so-called documentary film which claimed 2586 01:41:55,030 --> 01:41:53,679 that bob lazar passed four lie detector 2587 01:41:56,070 --> 01:41:55,040 tests 2588 01:41:58,310 --> 01:41:56,080 but 2589 01:42:00,790 --> 01:41:58,320 no one has been able to find any lie 2590 01:42:03,030 --> 01:42:00,800 detector test that he took other than 2591 01:42:05,669 --> 01:42:03,040 the lie detector test administered by 2592 01:42:07,510 --> 01:42:05,679 one terry tavernetti 2593 01:42:08,390 --> 01:42:07,520 who was a retired cop 2594 01:42:11,430 --> 01:42:08,400 who 2595 01:42:14,229 --> 01:42:11,440 not by chance folks happens to be 2596 01:42:16,550 --> 01:42:14,239 or happened to be at the time a very 2597 01:42:19,109 --> 01:42:16,560 close friend of george knapp 2598 01:42:20,950 --> 01:42:19,119 and at the time that this lie detector 2599 01:42:23,030 --> 01:42:20,960 test was administered 2600 01:42:25,350 --> 01:42:23,040 it was after bob lazar initially came 2601 01:42:27,590 --> 01:42:25,360 out with his story and 2602 01:42:29,910 --> 01:42:27,600 some of the researchers began to poke 2603 01:42:31,510 --> 01:42:29,920 hole after hole after hole in bob 2604 01:42:33,510 --> 01:42:31,520 lazar's story 2605 01:42:36,229 --> 01:42:33,520 and many people have said that this lie 2606 01:42:37,510 --> 01:42:36,239 detector test thing was a sham 2607 01:42:39,910 --> 01:42:37,520 not just me 2608 01:42:41,030 --> 01:42:39,920 other people have said that because at 2609 01:42:43,270 --> 01:42:41,040 the time 2610 01:42:45,590 --> 01:42:43,280 bob lazar's story was falling apart they 2611 01:42:48,149 --> 01:42:45,600 needed something to bolster the story at 2612 01:42:50,870 --> 01:42:48,159 the time so along comes this terry 2613 01:42:54,070 --> 01:42:50,880 tabernetti to administer a polygraph 2614 01:42:56,870 --> 01:42:54,080 test the claims are that bob lazar 2615 01:42:58,470 --> 01:42:56,880 passed for lie detector tests 2616 01:43:00,709 --> 01:42:58,480 first of all there's conflicting 2617 01:43:04,629 --> 01:43:00,719 statements from terry tavernetty about 2618 01:43:06,149 --> 01:43:04,639 whether he passed the first test or not 2619 01:43:07,990 --> 01:43:06,159 in fact there are statements from this 2620 01:43:09,910 --> 01:43:08,000 terry tabernetti that would seem to 2621 01:43:12,070 --> 01:43:09,920 indicate the first test that he 2622 01:43:14,709 --> 01:43:12,080 administered bob lazar did very poorly 2623 01:43:17,510 --> 01:43:14,719 on and his answers were indicating 2624 01:43:19,430 --> 01:43:17,520 deception since this terry tavernetti 2625 01:43:21,910 --> 01:43:19,440 has never released the data from these 2626 01:43:24,390 --> 01:43:21,920 apparent four lie detector tests we can 2627 01:43:26,629 --> 01:43:24,400 only assume from his own statements that 2628 01:43:29,430 --> 01:43:26,639 bob lazar did very very poorly on the 2629 01:43:31,430 --> 01:43:29,440 first lie detector test and then 2630 01:43:33,910 --> 01:43:31,440 terry tavernetti administered three more 2631 01:43:35,189 --> 01:43:33,920 tests which he magically passed i don't 2632 01:43:37,109 --> 01:43:35,199 know about you folks but that doesn't 2633 01:43:39,750 --> 01:43:37,119 sound like standard practice so what i 2634 01:43:41,990 --> 01:43:39,760 did is i went to people in law 2635 01:43:44,149 --> 01:43:42,000 enforcement that administered polygraphs 2636 01:43:46,870 --> 01:43:44,159 every source that i went to told me 2637 01:43:49,270 --> 01:43:46,880 that giving a subject for lie detector 2638 01:43:51,350 --> 01:43:49,280 tests especially if he fails the first 2639 01:43:53,590 --> 01:43:51,360 lie detector test is absolutely 2640 01:43:55,430 --> 01:43:53,600 ludicrous you don't give somebody a lie 2641 01:43:56,629 --> 01:43:55,440 detector test they fail the first one 2642 01:43:59,030 --> 01:43:56,639 and then you say you know what let's 2643 01:44:01,030 --> 01:43:59,040 just keep going until you pass the test 2644 01:44:02,550 --> 01:44:01,040 that's not the way polygraphs work 2645 01:44:05,430 --> 01:44:02,560 usually 2646 01:44:07,990 --> 01:44:05,440 you get one test you fail the first test 2647 01:44:10,229 --> 01:44:08,000 it indicates deception you're a liar 2648 01:44:12,070 --> 01:44:10,239 that's it case closed they don't let you 2649 01:44:13,109 --> 01:44:12,080 keep taking the test until you pass it 2650 01:44:15,590 --> 01:44:13,119 folks 2651 01:44:18,149 --> 01:44:15,600 this terry tavernetti has never released 2652 01:44:20,070 --> 01:44:18,159 the data from these lie detector tests 2653 01:44:22,070 --> 01:44:20,080 the list of questions he's never 2654 01:44:23,830 --> 01:44:22,080 released the charts we've never gotten 2655 01:44:25,990 --> 01:44:23,840 to any of the data folks all we have is 2656 01:44:27,910 --> 01:44:26,000 his word close friend of george knapps 2657 01:44:29,910 --> 01:44:27,920 that administered to test we also have 2658 01:44:31,750 --> 01:44:29,920 his conflicting statements 2659 01:44:33,030 --> 01:44:31,760 why don't we stop for a second and take 2660 01:44:35,109 --> 01:44:33,040 a listen to those 2661 01:44:37,350 --> 01:44:35,119 if he's lying 2662 01:44:39,990 --> 01:44:37,360 uh he'd be in hollywood 2663 01:44:42,390 --> 01:44:40,000 because he gave absolutely no 2664 01:44:45,590 --> 01:44:42,400 physiological indications 2665 01:44:47,990 --> 01:44:45,600 of attempting deception 2666 01:44:49,910 --> 01:44:48,000 we started the first test and it went 2667 01:44:51,510 --> 01:44:49,920 exactly the way i thought it might he 2668 01:44:53,510 --> 01:44:51,520 was not doing well 2669 01:44:55,990 --> 01:44:53,520 he was reacting 2670 01:44:58,870 --> 01:44:56,000 to the relevant questions more than he 2671 01:45:01,270 --> 01:44:58,880 was to the control 2672 01:45:04,070 --> 01:45:01,280 type of questions which is indicative of 2673 01:45:06,229 --> 01:45:04,080 a person who is deceptive 2674 01:45:07,830 --> 01:45:06,239 because it's showing an emotion that he 2675 01:45:09,270 --> 01:45:07,840 does not feel comfortable with his 2676 01:45:11,270 --> 01:45:09,280 answers 2677 01:45:13,109 --> 01:45:11,280 so what i got to say folks is first of 2678 01:45:17,350 --> 01:45:13,119 all the conflicting statements that he's 2679 01:45:19,510 --> 01:45:17,360 made over time uh really sound fishy to 2680 01:45:21,189 --> 01:45:19,520 anybody that listens to them 2681 01:45:23,030 --> 01:45:21,199 either he passed four lie detective 2682 01:45:24,390 --> 01:45:23,040 tests or 2683 01:45:26,950 --> 01:45:24,400 he failed the first one and he gave him 2684 01:45:28,790 --> 01:45:26,960 three more which one is it 2685 01:45:30,550 --> 01:45:28,800 and it's also 2686 01:45:32,390 --> 01:45:30,560 strange to give somebody multiple 2687 01:45:34,790 --> 01:45:32,400 polygraph tests i checked with multiple 2688 01:45:36,470 --> 01:45:34,800 law enforcement officials i also called 2689 01:45:38,310 --> 01:45:36,480 the national polygraph examiner's 2690 01:45:40,149 --> 01:45:38,320 association who said that that would be 2691 01:45:41,990 --> 01:45:40,159 totally unethical to do you don't let 2692 01:45:43,910 --> 01:45:42,000 somebody fail the first one and just 2693 01:45:45,830 --> 01:45:43,920 give them more tests until they pass 2694 01:45:47,430 --> 01:45:45,840 that's not something you do and they 2695 01:45:49,350 --> 01:45:47,440 also said that from an ethical 2696 01:45:51,189 --> 01:45:49,360 standpoint if he had an existing 2697 01:45:53,030 --> 01:45:51,199 relationship with george knapp and they 2698 01:45:55,430 --> 01:45:53,040 were friends he should have recused 2699 01:45:57,270 --> 01:45:55,440 himself refused to do the polygraph and 2700 01:46:00,390 --> 01:45:57,280 pointed george knapp to an independent 2701 01:46:02,310 --> 01:46:00,400 polygraph examiner that he did not have 2702 01:46:04,070 --> 01:46:02,320 a friendship or existing relationship 2703 01:46:05,910 --> 01:46:04,080 with so that there would be no conflict 2704 01:46:08,470 --> 01:46:05,920 of interest issue there 2705 01:46:10,149 --> 01:46:08,480 but hey if bob lazar or his supporters 2706 01:46:12,390 --> 01:46:10,159 want to continue to say that bob lazar 2707 01:46:13,990 --> 01:46:12,400 passed four polygraphs 2708 01:46:15,990 --> 01:46:14,000 then i'm going to give them an 2709 01:46:18,310 --> 01:46:16,000 opportunity to do that and that's my 2710 01:46:22,149 --> 01:46:18,320 challenge i will pay for four 2711 01:46:24,830 --> 01:46:22,159 independent polygraph examiners to 2712 01:46:27,910 --> 01:46:24,840 give bob lazar four independent 2713 01:46:29,830 --> 01:46:27,920 polygraph lie detector tests 2714 01:46:31,910 --> 01:46:29,840 and these will be four separate 2715 01:46:34,229 --> 01:46:31,920 polygraph examiners 2716 01:46:36,550 --> 01:46:34,239 all giving him 2717 01:46:38,310 --> 01:46:36,560 the test that do not know george knapp 2718 01:46:40,870 --> 01:46:38,320 that do not know him that do not have 2719 01:46:43,750 --> 01:46:40,880 any ethical conflicts and i'll pay for 2720 01:46:44,790 --> 01:46:43,760 that if bob lazor will agree to do that 2721 01:46:46,390 --> 01:46:44,800 but 2722 01:46:48,149 --> 01:46:46,400 here's my prediction folks that will 2723 01:46:49,669 --> 01:46:48,159 never ever happen 2724 01:46:52,229 --> 01:46:49,679 now folks we're running out of time i 2725 01:46:55,109 --> 01:46:52,239 have just two final points to make and 2726 01:46:58,550 --> 01:46:55,119 the first point is on the location of s4 2727 01:47:01,270 --> 01:46:58,560 you can go use google maps you know and 2728 01:47:03,109 --> 01:47:01,280 go and try to find this base that's 2729 01:47:06,149 --> 01:47:03,119 supposed to be hidden on the side of a 2730 01:47:08,390 --> 01:47:06,159 mountain it never happened folks it's 2731 01:47:10,470 --> 01:47:08,400 not there there's nothing there it's a 2732 01:47:12,790 --> 01:47:10,480 nuclear wasteland 2733 01:47:14,629 --> 01:47:12,800 oh and that's something else i did i 2734 01:47:16,790 --> 01:47:14,639 called the atomic energy commission and 2735 01:47:19,109 --> 01:47:16,800 i asked them about radiation levels 2736 01:47:21,590 --> 01:47:19,119 right around the area i gave them gps 2737 01:47:23,910 --> 01:47:21,600 coordinates even where bob lazar claims 2738 01:47:26,390 --> 01:47:23,920 this base was do you know there's near 2739 01:47:27,910 --> 01:47:26,400 lethal radiation levels there 2740 01:47:31,750 --> 01:47:27,920 exposure 2741 01:47:33,270 --> 01:47:31,760 other words if you hung out there for a 2742 01:47:34,709 --> 01:47:33,280 few weeks 2743 01:47:36,790 --> 01:47:34,719 that would be a really stupid thing to 2744 01:47:38,470 --> 01:47:36,800 do folks in fact if the government was 2745 01:47:40,310 --> 01:47:38,480 stupid enough to put a base there and 2746 01:47:43,109 --> 01:47:40,320 send employees there there would be 2747 01:47:44,870 --> 01:47:43,119 lawsuit after lawsuit after lawsuit all 2748 01:47:46,870 --> 01:47:44,880 on the public record because the 2749 01:47:49,270 --> 01:47:46,880 government including the atomic energy 2750 01:47:52,390 --> 01:47:49,280 commission know that that area is a 2751 01:47:55,270 --> 01:47:52,400 nuclear wasteland it is an irradiated 2752 01:47:57,669 --> 01:47:55,280 desert right near where they did atomic 2753 01:48:00,310 --> 01:47:57,679 tests they would not put a base there 2754 01:48:02,870 --> 01:48:00,320 just for liability reasons alone 2755 01:48:04,550 --> 01:48:02,880 but it gets even better there's even 2756 01:48:06,709 --> 01:48:04,560 more proof that there's absolutely 2757 01:48:09,189 --> 01:48:06,719 nothing there and i gotta say this 2758 01:48:10,870 --> 01:48:09,199 excellent proof uh once again came from 2759 01:48:13,510 --> 01:48:10,880 the man who knows 2760 01:48:15,189 --> 01:48:13,520 dan banker dan banker 2761 01:48:16,950 --> 01:48:15,199 is the person that found the story of 2762 01:48:18,790 --> 01:48:16,960 jerry freeman 2763 01:48:22,470 --> 01:48:18,800 he was accredited archaeologist who 2764 01:48:25,830 --> 01:48:22,480 spent two entire days there 2765 01:48:27,669 --> 01:48:25,840 right where bob said that that base was 2766 01:48:29,910 --> 01:48:27,679 uh and 2767 01:48:31,510 --> 01:48:29,920 the picture he took 2768 01:48:32,470 --> 01:48:31,520 he took a picture of himself he took a 2769 01:48:33,430 --> 01:48:32,480 selfie 2770 01:48:36,709 --> 01:48:33,440 with 2771 01:48:37,830 --> 01:48:36,719 the mountain that bob lazar says as four 2772 01:48:40,229 --> 01:48:37,840 was at 2773 01:48:42,550 --> 01:48:40,239 right behind him in the background 2774 01:48:45,109 --> 01:48:42,560 he was looking for evidence of 2775 01:48:46,950 --> 01:48:45,119 the trek of the lost 49ers this guy was 2776 01:48:50,070 --> 01:48:46,960 an archaeologist and a historian and he 2777 01:48:53,750 --> 01:48:50,080 wanted to follow the path of the 49ers 2778 01:48:55,030 --> 01:48:53,760 and so he walked through that area 2779 01:48:58,229 --> 01:48:55,040 first of all 2780 01:48:59,830 --> 01:48:58,239 he was able to walk through that area 2781 01:49:02,550 --> 01:48:59,840 according to bob lazar there was 2782 01:49:04,470 --> 01:49:02,560 oppressive security all over the place 2783 01:49:06,229 --> 01:49:04,480 let me ask you guys a question if 2784 01:49:07,830 --> 01:49:06,239 there's really a top secret base there 2785 01:49:10,070 --> 01:49:07,840 and bob lazar says there was and there 2786 01:49:12,149 --> 01:49:10,080 was all this security would some guy 2787 01:49:14,070 --> 01:49:12,159 just be able to walk right through there 2788 01:49:15,750 --> 01:49:14,080 right up to that mountain where bob 2789 01:49:19,430 --> 01:49:15,760 lazar said those hangar doors were 2790 01:49:22,229 --> 01:49:19,440 hidden no folks it's a fake it's a fraud 2791 01:49:24,310 --> 01:49:22,239 there's no s4 there's nothing there 2792 01:49:26,550 --> 01:49:24,320 it's a fabrication and a fairy tale 2793 01:49:28,550 --> 01:49:26,560 folks now time is running short let's 2794 01:49:30,950 --> 01:49:28,560 move on to my last point 2795 01:49:33,270 --> 01:49:30,960 in the original screenplay that gene 2796 01:49:35,510 --> 01:49:33,280 huff wrote about the bob lazor story 2797 01:49:37,189 --> 01:49:35,520 there was multiple scenes and plot 2798 01:49:40,310 --> 01:49:37,199 devices used 2799 01:49:43,589 --> 01:49:40,320 about bob lazar stealing element 115 out 2800 01:49:45,510 --> 01:49:43,599 of area 51 and government agents coming 2801 01:49:48,550 --> 01:49:45,520 and raiding his home 2802 01:49:50,709 --> 01:49:48,560 and stealing that element 115 back 2803 01:49:52,709 --> 01:49:50,719 it's a very convenient way to explain 2804 01:49:55,030 --> 01:49:52,719 why bob lazar can't just throw this 2805 01:49:57,189 --> 01:49:55,040 element 115 down on the table and say 2806 01:49:59,189 --> 01:49:57,199 here's the proof [\h__\h] 2807 01:50:01,430 --> 01:49:59,199 it's great it's a plot device folks you 2808 01:50:03,109 --> 01:50:01,440 know what else uses plot devices 2809 01:50:05,589 --> 01:50:03,119 fiction stories 2810 01:50:08,149 --> 01:50:05,599 and so i was taken aback when this 2811 01:50:10,709 --> 01:50:08,159 so-called documentary film came out and 2812 01:50:13,669 --> 01:50:10,719 this filmmaker is either so lazy or so 2813 01:50:15,030 --> 01:50:13,679 stupid that he used the exact same plot 2814 01:50:17,109 --> 01:50:15,040 device 2815 01:50:19,510 --> 01:50:17,119 in the film he starts questioning bob 2816 01:50:21,990 --> 01:50:19,520 lazar about that element 115. you know 2817 01:50:25,109 --> 01:50:22,000 that flying saucer fuel that he 2818 01:50:26,950 --> 01:50:25,119 allegedly stole out of area 51 2819 01:50:28,709 --> 01:50:26,960 but he's too much of a coward or bob 2820 01:50:30,790 --> 01:50:28,719 lazar is too much of a coward to let us 2821 01:50:31,990 --> 01:50:30,800 know what bob lazar actually said so 2822 01:50:33,830 --> 01:50:32,000 they sort of 2823 01:50:35,830 --> 01:50:33,840 speed up and cover up what he said and 2824 01:50:38,629 --> 01:50:35,840 then we cut to the next scene which is 2825 01:50:41,430 --> 01:50:38,639 him the filmmaker talking to bob lazar 2826 01:50:42,709 --> 01:50:41,440 and bob lazar is saying there's 30 or 40 2827 01:50:45,030 --> 01:50:42,719 government agents here and they're 2828 01:50:47,430 --> 01:50:45,040 raiding my business and he's taking 2829 01:50:48,950 --> 01:50:47,440 pictures of people with fbi jackets on 2830 01:50:50,229 --> 01:50:48,960 and sending them to these to this 2831 01:50:51,270 --> 01:50:50,239 filmmaker 2832 01:50:57,910 --> 01:50:51,280 and 2833 01:50:59,990 --> 01:50:57,920 tried to tell everybody they've more 2834 01:51:02,390 --> 01:51:00,000 than implied on the larry king show bob 2835 01:51:04,310 --> 01:51:02,400 lazar and this filmmaker said they both 2836 01:51:06,470 --> 01:51:04,320 believe that they were there to steal 2837 01:51:08,070 --> 01:51:06,480 back that element 115 2838 01:51:08,950 --> 01:51:08,080 that they believe that he might still 2839 01:51:11,270 --> 01:51:08,960 have 2840 01:51:13,830 --> 01:51:11,280 it's the same plot device that jean huff 2841 01:51:14,870 --> 01:51:13,840 used in the original screenplay folks 2842 01:51:21,750 --> 01:51:14,880 it's 2843 01:51:23,510 --> 01:51:21,760 and i was sure when i saw this so-called 2844 01:51:26,310 --> 01:51:23,520 documentary that this was a complete and 2845 01:51:28,950 --> 01:51:26,320 total lie because bob lazar's business 2846 01:51:30,310 --> 01:51:28,960 has been raided multiple times 2847 01:51:32,950 --> 01:51:30,320 his business 2848 01:51:34,390 --> 01:51:32,960 it's almost like a normal thing for his 2849 01:51:36,470 --> 01:51:34,400 business to get rated because he's 2850 01:51:39,189 --> 01:51:36,480 selling all kinds of stuff 2851 01:51:41,750 --> 01:51:39,199 that kind of skirts on right on the edge 2852 01:51:44,310 --> 01:51:41,760 those gray areas of being legal to sell 2853 01:51:47,030 --> 01:51:44,320 he got rated one time years ago for 2854 01:51:49,270 --> 01:51:47,040 selling firework making material that he 2855 01:51:50,550 --> 01:51:49,280 did not have licenses to sell 2856 01:51:52,629 --> 01:51:50,560 so 2857 01:51:54,550 --> 01:51:52,639 i looked into this raid and it turns out 2858 01:51:56,950 --> 01:51:54,560 this raid had absolutely nothing to do 2859 01:52:00,470 --> 01:51:56,960 with flying saucer fuel folks or element 2860 01:52:03,430 --> 01:52:00,480 115 and this filmmaker and bob lazar 2861 01:52:06,550 --> 01:52:03,440 just used that fbi raid 2862 01:52:08,709 --> 01:52:06,560 as a plot device to help sell that film 2863 01:52:11,830 --> 01:52:08,719 it's [\h__\h] folks it had nothing to do 2864 01:52:14,870 --> 01:52:11,840 with element 115. the real story is that 2865 01:52:18,070 --> 01:52:14,880 someone ordered thorium from bob lazar's 2866 01:52:19,430 --> 01:52:18,080 business and then they killed their wife 2867 01:52:22,310 --> 01:52:19,440 with it so there's a murder 2868 01:52:24,229 --> 01:52:22,320 investigation going on and that 2869 01:52:27,189 --> 01:52:24,239 thorium was sent to another state not 2870 01:52:29,030 --> 01:52:27,199 where babazar lives so of course the fbi 2871 01:52:30,950 --> 01:52:29,040 is the federal law enforcement they're 2872 01:52:33,350 --> 01:52:30,960 going to be in on it because this 2873 01:52:35,510 --> 01:52:33,360 gentleman purchased this deadly 2874 01:52:39,350 --> 01:52:35,520 substance from bob lazar's business that 2875 01:52:41,910 --> 01:52:39,360 he killed his wife with the fbi 2876 01:52:44,070 --> 01:52:41,920 police local to the murder investigation 2877 01:52:46,629 --> 01:52:44,080 and the chief of police in the town 2878 01:52:48,149 --> 01:52:46,639 where bob lazar's business is 2879 01:52:49,830 --> 01:52:48,159 were there to do the raid they were 2880 01:52:51,030 --> 01:52:49,840 looking for the thorium 2881 01:52:53,510 --> 01:52:51,040 and they were looking for the sales 2882 01:52:55,430 --> 01:52:53,520 records to prove that this individual 2883 01:52:57,430 --> 01:52:55,440 ordered the thorium from bob lazar's 2884 01:52:59,030 --> 01:52:57,440 business that he killed his wife with 2885 01:53:00,790 --> 01:52:59,040 period 2886 01:53:04,629 --> 01:53:00,800 there's no men in black there's no 2887 01:53:06,070 --> 01:53:04,639 conspiracy there's no flying saucer fuel 2888 01:53:08,629 --> 01:53:06,080 folks 2889 01:53:09,910 --> 01:53:08,639 i wanted to be sure so here's what i did 2890 01:53:12,070 --> 01:53:09,920 i called up 2891 01:53:14,629 --> 01:53:12,080 the local law enforcement there because 2892 01:53:16,790 --> 01:53:14,639 bob lazar george knapp and this 2893 01:53:17,830 --> 01:53:16,800 filmmaker were claiming there were 40 or 2894 01:53:20,310 --> 01:53:17,840 more 2895 01:53:21,109 --> 01:53:20,320 agents government agents there and they 2896 01:53:23,270 --> 01:53:21,119 were 2897 01:53:26,709 --> 01:53:23,280 all looking through every inch of bob 2898 01:53:30,070 --> 01:53:26,719 lazar's business and all of these 2899 01:53:30,870 --> 01:53:30,080 fantastic tales okay so here's what i 2900 01:53:33,189 --> 01:53:30,880 did 2901 01:53:38,149 --> 01:53:33,199 i got an on the record source the chief 2902 01:53:40,550 --> 01:53:38,159 of police in bob lazar's local town 2903 01:53:42,030 --> 01:53:40,560 and that is chief dan 2904 01:53:44,070 --> 01:53:42,040 decourty 2905 01:53:45,510 --> 01:53:44,080 d-e-k-o-r-t-e now this is an 2906 01:53:48,790 --> 01:53:45,520 on-the-record source folks you can 2907 01:53:50,950 --> 01:53:48,800 believe bob lazar's fantastic [\h__\h] 2908 01:53:53,189 --> 01:53:50,960 stories or you can believe 2909 01:53:55,830 --> 01:53:53,199 a man whose ethics are not in question 2910 01:53:57,750 --> 01:53:55,840 the chief of police in the local town 2911 01:54:00,390 --> 01:53:57,760 i asked him a lot of questions and he 2912 01:54:01,350 --> 01:54:00,400 was very very helpful here's what he 2913 01:54:04,390 --> 01:54:01,360 told me 2914 01:54:06,390 --> 01:54:04,400 there were not 30 or 40 agents there 2915 01:54:08,390 --> 01:54:06,400 that is a complete and total fabrication 2916 01:54:09,990 --> 01:54:08,400 folks that is a lie 2917 01:54:11,589 --> 01:54:10,000 there were 10 2918 01:54:13,750 --> 01:54:11,599 maybe 11 2919 01:54:15,430 --> 01:54:13,760 people there total 2920 01:54:17,350 --> 01:54:15,440 and here's the breakdown 2921 01:54:19,669 --> 01:54:17,360 there were three 2922 01:54:22,149 --> 01:54:19,679 local law enforcement agents from the 2923 01:54:23,589 --> 01:54:22,159 town in which the murder took place at 2924 01:54:27,109 --> 01:54:23,599 they were there 2925 01:54:29,510 --> 01:54:27,119 okay there were two guys in hazmat suits 2926 01:54:31,589 --> 01:54:29,520 yes the hazmat story was correct because 2927 01:54:32,470 --> 01:54:31,599 the fbi is not going to walk into some 2928 01:54:34,629 --> 01:54:32,480 place 2929 01:54:36,870 --> 01:54:34,639 like bob lazar where he has 2930 01:54:39,270 --> 01:54:36,880 radioactive materials 2931 01:54:42,310 --> 01:54:39,280 things you can poison people with all 2932 01:54:44,229 --> 01:54:42,320 kinds of dangerous chemicals they're not 2933 01:54:46,070 --> 01:54:44,239 going to just walk in there okay so yes 2934 01:54:48,310 --> 01:54:46,080 they had two guys in a hazmat suit there 2935 01:54:50,550 --> 01:54:48,320 and there was a hazmat van there or 2936 01:54:52,149 --> 01:54:50,560 truck uh i'm sorry i didn't clarify that 2937 01:54:54,470 --> 01:54:52,159 there was a hazmat vehicle there there 2938 01:54:57,109 --> 01:54:54,480 was two guys in hazmat suits who went in 2939 01:54:58,629 --> 01:54:57,119 before the actual raid was conducted 2940 01:55:01,109 --> 01:54:58,639 just to clear things and make sure it 2941 01:55:03,430 --> 01:55:01,119 was safe for the officers to go in there 2942 01:55:04,709 --> 01:55:03,440 so we have three local law enforcement 2943 01:55:06,470 --> 01:55:04,719 from the jurisdiction where the murder 2944 01:55:08,390 --> 01:55:06,480 took place we have two guys in hazmat 2945 01:55:12,149 --> 01:55:08,400 suits we have the chief of police that's 2946 01:55:14,390 --> 01:55:12,159 six and then there was four 2947 01:55:16,550 --> 01:55:14,400 well actually he wasn't sure he said i'm 2948 01:55:18,870 --> 01:55:16,560 really not sure i believe that there was 2949 01:55:20,870 --> 01:55:18,880 four but there may have been as many as 2950 01:55:23,589 --> 01:55:20,880 five that brings us up to a grand total 2951 01:55:25,669 --> 01:55:23,599 of 11 people conducting this raid so the 2952 01:55:27,910 --> 01:55:25,679 story that there was 30 or 40 people 2953 01:55:29,990 --> 01:55:27,920 there conducting this raid folks it's a 2954 01:55:31,350 --> 01:55:30,000 complete and total lie it's a 2955 01:55:33,430 --> 01:55:31,360 fabrication 2956 01:55:35,990 --> 01:55:33,440 now there's a story being told that 2957 01:55:37,830 --> 01:55:36,000 babazar said that these agents when they 2958 01:55:39,430 --> 01:55:37,840 were conducting the raid they repeated 2959 01:55:42,310 --> 01:55:39,440 the conversation he had about the 2960 01:55:44,470 --> 01:55:42,320 element 115 with this filmmaker verbatim 2961 01:55:46,870 --> 01:55:44,480 the chief of police absolutely refutes 2962 01:55:48,070 --> 01:55:46,880 that he says he was in 2963 01:55:50,950 --> 01:55:48,080 earshot 2964 01:55:53,669 --> 01:55:50,960 of bob lazar the entire time the raid 2965 01:55:56,709 --> 01:55:53,679 was taking place he said no federal 2966 01:55:58,470 --> 01:55:56,719 agent no law enforcement agent nobody 2967 01:56:02,390 --> 01:55:58,480 told him that he was under surveillance 2968 01:56:04,070 --> 01:56:02,400 he was not to the chief of police's 2969 01:56:06,629 --> 01:56:04,080 best knowledge under any kind of 2970 01:56:09,510 --> 01:56:06,639 surveillance no one heard a conversation 2971 01:56:11,270 --> 01:56:09,520 he had the day before no one repeated a 2972 01:56:13,669 --> 01:56:11,280 conversation to him 2973 01:56:16,470 --> 01:56:13,679 at the raid period it's a complete and 2974 01:56:18,550 --> 01:56:16,480 total lie folks no one repeated any 2975 01:56:21,109 --> 01:56:18,560 conversation this filmmaker had with bob 2976 01:56:23,350 --> 01:56:21,119 lazar there was not 30 or 40 agents 2977 01:56:25,430 --> 01:56:23,360 there this man was on the ground at the 2978 01:56:27,669 --> 01:56:25,440 raid the entire time he was in the 2979 01:56:29,430 --> 01:56:27,679 briefing for the raid he said nobody 2980 01:56:31,990 --> 01:56:29,440 mentioned anything about flying saucer 2981 01:56:33,750 --> 01:56:32,000 fuel nobody recovered anything about 2982 01:56:35,830 --> 01:56:33,760 flying saucer fuel nobody was told to 2983 01:56:37,830 --> 01:56:35,840 look for anything other than the records 2984 01:56:39,510 --> 01:56:37,840 they were there for and the thorium 2985 01:56:42,149 --> 01:56:39,520 folks it's a complete and total 2986 01:56:44,550 --> 01:56:42,159 fabrication to suggest anything else 2987 01:56:46,870 --> 01:56:44,560 they're just trying to sell a film 2988 01:56:51,109 --> 01:56:46,880 didn't happen folks it's a fabrication 2989 01:56:53,990 --> 01:56:51,119 it's another fairy tale from bob lazar 2990 01:56:56,550 --> 01:56:54,000 well folks what we're left with is a man 2991 01:57:00,310 --> 01:56:56,560 called bob lazar who came out with an 2992 01:57:02,629 --> 01:57:00,320 incredible story about back engineering 2993 01:57:04,470 --> 01:57:02,639 recovered flying saucers for the united 2994 01:57:06,470 --> 01:57:04,480 states government 2995 01:57:09,030 --> 01:57:06,480 and for 30 years now 2996 01:57:10,950 --> 01:57:09,040 i've wanted quite desperately to believe 2997 01:57:13,109 --> 01:57:10,960 that the story was true 2998 01:57:14,390 --> 01:57:13,119 for a time i did believe the story was 2999 01:57:17,350 --> 01:57:14,400 true 3000 01:57:19,589 --> 01:57:17,360 but the more layers of the story that 3001 01:57:22,390 --> 01:57:19,599 you peel back the more layers of 3002 01:57:24,709 --> 01:57:22,400 deception you find the more lies you 3003 01:57:25,750 --> 01:57:24,719 catch this man in and i don't know about 3004 01:57:27,910 --> 01:57:25,760 you 3005 01:57:31,510 --> 01:57:27,920 but in dealing with friends and 3006 01:57:33,589 --> 01:57:31,520 colleagues how many times will you let a 3007 01:57:35,910 --> 01:57:33,599 person lie to you before you stop 3008 01:57:38,149 --> 01:57:35,920 believing anything they say 3009 01:57:41,030 --> 01:57:38,159 and i know that many of the friends and 3010 01:57:43,109 --> 01:57:41,040 supporters of bob lazar and his story 3011 01:57:45,589 --> 01:57:43,119 will at least admit that his education 3012 01:57:47,990 --> 01:57:45,599 is fake but hey maybe he just lied about 3013 01:57:50,470 --> 01:57:48,000 that to get a good job if that was the 3014 01:57:53,430 --> 01:57:50,480 only lie i've ever caught him in i'd 3015 01:57:55,990 --> 01:57:53,440 give him a pass but the problem is folks 3016 01:57:57,669 --> 01:57:56,000 the deeper you dig the more lies you 3017 01:58:01,030 --> 01:57:57,679 catch this man in 3018 01:58:03,270 --> 01:58:01,040 and how many times how many times am i 3019 01:58:04,790 --> 01:58:03,280 gonna let bob lazar 3020 01:58:07,109 --> 01:58:04,800 get caught lying 3021 01:58:09,030 --> 01:58:07,119 before i finally say he's just a liar 3022 01:58:10,550 --> 01:58:09,040 and i'm not gonna believe anything that 3023 01:58:12,870 --> 01:58:10,560 he says 3024 01:58:14,790 --> 01:58:12,880 extraordinary claims require 3025 01:58:16,550 --> 01:58:14,800 extraordinary evidence 3026 01:58:18,870 --> 01:58:16,560 not only does bob lazar not have 3027 01:58:21,270 --> 01:58:18,880 extraordinary evidence he has almost no 3028 01:58:24,470 --> 01:58:21,280 evidence other than his story 3029 01:58:28,149 --> 01:58:24,480 he has fake educational credentials he 3030 01:58:31,270 --> 01:58:28,159 has a fake w-2 that he supplied he has a 3031 01:58:34,870 --> 01:58:31,280 fake security badge for a base he claims 3032 01:58:37,750 --> 01:58:34,880 he worked at that does not exist 3033 01:58:39,510 --> 01:58:37,760 until such time as bob lazar provides 3034 01:58:42,070 --> 01:58:39,520 actual evidence or proof 3035 01:58:45,270 --> 01:58:42,080 i'm gonna call [\h__\h] on the whole bob 3036 01:58:48,790 --> 01:58:45,280 lazar story and especially on anyone 3037 01:58:50,790 --> 01:58:48,800 trying to make money from his story 3038 01:58:52,629 --> 01:58:50,800 i want to thank each and every one of my 3039 01:58:55,270 --> 01:58:52,639 old friends who came here to the fringe 3040 01:58:58,149 --> 01:58:55,280 fm to hear my premier 3041 01:59:00,709 --> 01:58:58,159 first episode on the fringe fm 3042 01:59:02,870 --> 01:59:00,719 i want to take a moment to thank ali 3043 01:59:05,030 --> 01:59:02,880 hartley who got me in touch with the 3044 01:59:07,030 --> 01:59:05,040 fringe fm and 3045 01:59:10,149 --> 01:59:07,040 really helped make this possible and i 3046 01:59:12,070 --> 01:59:10,159 especially want to thank joe ruffy 3047 01:59:14,629 --> 01:59:12,080 from the fringe fm 3048 01:59:16,229 --> 01:59:14,639 for giving us this incredible 3049 01:59:18,709 --> 01:59:16,239 opportunity 3050 01:59:20,470 --> 01:59:18,719 i want to thank the new friends that i 3051 01:59:22,390 --> 01:59:20,480 hope we made tonight 3052 01:59:24,950 --> 01:59:22,400 that are listeners to the french fm i 3053 01:59:28,149 --> 01:59:24,960 hope you join me again every saturday 3054 01:59:30,390 --> 01:59:28,159 here at midnight eastern standard time 3055 01:59:33,189 --> 01:59:30,400 on the fringe fm 3056 01:59:34,950 --> 01:59:33,199 i want to welcome you to come join us on 3057 01:59:37,510 --> 01:59:34,960 the midnight hour 3058 01:59:39,669 --> 01:59:37,520 i'm so thankful for this opportunity i'm 3059 01:59:42,470 --> 01:59:39,679 thankful for new friends 3060 01:59:45,109 --> 01:59:42,480 and i'm feeling very positive about what 3061 01:59:47,030 --> 01:59:45,119 we're going to be able to accomplish 3062 01:59:48,790 --> 01:59:47,040 with this new partnership with the 3063 01:59:51,030 --> 01:59:48,800 fringe fm 3064 01:59:53,030 --> 01:59:51,040 what an incredible time i had tonight i 3065 01:59:54,950 --> 01:59:53,040 hope you enjoyed yourself 3066 01:59:57,350 --> 01:59:54,960 thank you guys each and every one of you 3067 02:00:00,229 --> 01:59:57,360 for tuning in and joining us until next 3068 02:00:03,109 --> 02:00:00,239 time folks i'm stephen campion also 3069 02:00:06,149 --> 02:00:03,119 known as the mystery man reminding you 3070 02:00:06,950 --> 02:00:06,159 that being angry at someone that lied to 3071 02:00:08,870 --> 02:00:06,960 you 3072 02:00:11,270 --> 02:00:08,880 can last a very 3073 02:00:13,109 --> 02:00:11,280 very long time 3074 02:00:16,310 --> 02:00:13,119 but being angry 3075 02:00:18,470 --> 02:00:16,320 about someone who told you the truth